Abstract Algebra, order of ab is equal to the order of a times the order of b?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in abstract algebra concerning the orders of elements in a group. The original poster is tasked with showing that if two elements commute and their orders are coprime, then the order of their product equals the product of their orders.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the orders of the elements and their product, expressing the relationship through the greatest common divisor. Some participants question the clarity of the statement that \((ab)^{mn} = 1\) and seek to understand its implications further.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the implications of the orders of the elements and the properties of the subgroup generated by their product. There is a recognition of the need to clarify certain assumptions and relationships, particularly regarding the expression \((ab)^{mn}\).

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The problem is constrained by the requirement that the elements commute and that their orders are coprime. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the given information.

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Abstract Algebra, order of ab is equal to the order of a times the order of b??

Hi!
I am working on some problems in abstract algebra and I am stuck at the moment. I hope some of you guys could help me out a little.

Homework Statement


a and b are two elements in a group G.
Assume that ab=ba.
Show that if GCD(o(a),(ob))=1, then o(ab) = o(a)*o(b)

Where o(a) is the order of a. (i.e. a^(o(a))=1.)


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The Attempt at a Solution


I call o(a)=n, o(b)=m, o(ab)=k, then show that k=mn.
Since SGD(m,n)=1, then m and n are coprime integers, and I have this relation: 1=sn+tm, where s and t are some integers.

However I am stuck now and I am not sure how to use this or where to start.
So any suggestions would be very appreciated.

Thanks in advance
 
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Clearly (ab)^{mn} = 1, so o(ab) divides mn. Can you show that \langle ab\rangle, the subgroup generated by ab, contains subgroups of order m and n? If so, what does that imply?
 


jbunniii said:
Clearly (ab)^{mn} = 1, so o(ab) divides mn. Can you show that \langle ab\rangle, the subgroup generated by ab, contains subgroups of order m and n? If so, what does that imply?

I am not sure why (ab)^{mn} = 1 is clear.
(a)^{n} = 1 and (b)^{m} = 1 but does that say anything about (ab)^{mn} ? Sorry maybe to early in the morning for this, Ill think about what you wrote during the day and see where I get!
Thanks for the help
 


zardiac said:
I am not sure why (ab)^{mn} = 1 is clear.
(a)^{n} = 1 and (b)^{m} = 1 but does that say anything about (ab)^{mn} ? Sorry maybe to early in the morning for this, Ill think about what you wrote during the day and see where I get!
Thanks for the help
You are given that ab = ba, so (ab)^{mn} = a^{mn} b^{mn} = \ldots
 

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