Abstract Algebra Proof Using the First Isomorphism Theory

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of a mapping defined from ℝ² to ℝ using the first isomorphism theorem in the context of abstract algebra. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the mapping f(x,y) = 3x - 4y is a homomorphism and onto, while exploring its implications for isomorphism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of the mapping and its claims of being a homomorphism and onto. There are attempts to clarify the conditions under which the mapping can be considered an isomorphism, particularly focusing on the necessity of demonstrating that for any b in the codomain, there exists an x in the domain such that f(x) = b.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the proof regarding the onto property, with one participant questioning whether the original poster has adequately shown that such an x exists for any given b. There is an ongoing exploration of the requirements for establishing the mapping as an isomorphism.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of demonstrating the existence of elements in the context of the mapping and the implications of the first isomorphism theorem, while also considering the structure of the kernel involved.

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Homework Statement


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2. The attempt at a solution
I have the following:

Define mapping f: ℝ2 -> ℝ as follows:
f(x,y) = 3x - 4y

Claim: f is a homomorphism

Pick any (x,y) in ℝ2. Then f(x,y) = f(x)*f(y) = 3x - 4y = (x+x+x)-(y+y+y+y) = x+x+x-y-y-y-y = f(x*y). Hence, it perserves the operation.

Claim: f is onto.
Pick any (x,y) in ℝ2 such that (x,y) = (1,0). Then...

I don't think I'm going the right way on showing f is onto.
 

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babygotpi said:

Homework Statement


See attatchment. I couldn't upload the picture.

2. The attempt at a solution
I have the following:

Define mapping f: ℝ2 -> ℝ as follows:
f(x,y) = 3x - 4y

Claim: f is a homomorphism

Pick any (x,y) in ℝ2. Then f(x,y) = f(x)*f(y) = 3x - 4y = (x+x+x)-(y+y+y+y) = x+x+x-y-y-y-y = f(x*y). Hence, it perserves the operation.

Claim: f is onto.
Pick any (x,y) in ℝ2 such that (x,y) = (1,0). Then...

I don't think I'm going the right way on showing f is onto.
So for your map [itex]f[/itex] :

By the first isomorphism theorem, if you can show f is a homomorphism that is either surjective or injective. Then the map f is an isomorphism such that [itex]f: G/Ker(f) → f(G)[/itex].

So if f is already a homomorphism say, and you've shown its either 1-1 or onto, then it follows its an isomorphism right? Now could you tell me why its an isomorphism?

Also, welcome to PF.

Hint : What is the structure of N? Is it finite or infinite?
 
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Thanks. Glad to be part of PF.
This is my final answer.
Define mapping f: ℝ2 -> ℝ as follows: f(x,y) = 3x - 4y

Claim: f is a homomorphism

Pick any X, X1 ∈ ℝ2 in which X = (x1, y1) and x1 = (x2, y2). Then:

f(x*x1 ) = f(x1+y1, x2+y2) = f(x1+y1) +f(x2 +y2) = f(x+x1 ). Hence, f perserves the operation.

Claim: f is onto

Pick any elemnet of b ∈ ℝ. Let x = (x0, y0) ∈ ℝ2 such that f(x) = 3x0 - 4y0 = b.

Can be rewritten as x = (b+4y0)/3 or ((b+4)/3 , y0) which ∈ ℝ2 . this implies that f is onto. Since ker(f) = N, the first isomorphism theory implies that ℝ2 / N is isomorphic to ℝ.

How does that sound!?
 
babygotpi said:
Thanks. Glad to be part of PF.
This is my final answer.
Define mapping f: ℝ2 -> ℝ as follows: f(x,y) = 3x - 4y

Claim: f is a homomorphism

Pick any X, X1 ∈ ℝ2 in which X = (x1, y1) and x1 = (x2, y2). Then:

f(x*x1 ) = f(x1+y1, x2+y2) = f(x1+y1) +f(x2 +y2) = f(x+x1 ). Hence, f perserves the operation.

Claim: f is onto

Pick any elemnet of b ∈ ℝ. Let x = (x0, y0) ∈ ℝ2 such that f(x) = 3x0 - 4y0 = b.

Can be rewritten as x = (b+4y0)/3 or ((b+4)/3 , y0) which ∈ ℝ2 . this implies that f is onto. Since ker(f) = N, the first isomorphism theory implies that ℝ2 / N is isomorphic to ℝ.

How does that sound!?

Change the x's in this quote into big X and big X1 :

f(x*x1 ) = f(x1+y1, x2+y2) = f(x1+y1) +f(x2 +y2) = f(x+x1 ). Hence, f perserves the operation.

As for you other question :

Well, to show f is onto, you have to show that for any [itex]b \in f(N)[/itex], there exists an [itex]a \in N/Ker(f)[/itex] such that [itex]f(a) = b[/itex] right?
 
I don't understand. Did I not show it was onto?
 
babygotpi said:
I don't understand. Did I not show it was onto?

Your proof wasn't correct. You said immediately to take x such that f(x)=b. But you have to show that such an x actually exists, you can't assert it as true.

You need to start by taking an element b and then actually finding an x such that f(x)=b.
 

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