AC Half Cycles: Positive vs Negative

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of positive and negative half cycles in alternating current (AC), focusing on their representation in waveforms, the implications for current and voltage, and the nature of power in AC systems. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the positive and negative half cycles represent the direction of the alternating current, emphasizing the term "alternating current."
  • One participant describes the waveform as a graph of volts versus time, with positive voltage represented upwards and negative voltage downwards.
  • Another participant expresses a personal dislike for the term "C" in AC, arguing that power requires both voltage and current, and that in AC, both change polarity.
  • It is noted that, except for purely resistive loads, the power in AC alternates with each positive pulse followed by a smaller negative pulse, resulting in an average positive power.
  • Contrarily, another participant asserts that the positive and negative half cycles are the same size and that there is no pulsing when voltage and current are in-phase, leading to positive power in both positive and negative cycles.
  • A participant references an article that illustrates their point regarding AC power analysis, suggesting that visual aids can clarify the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of power in AC systems and the implications of positive and negative half cycles. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these cycles or the behavior of power in AC.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the type of load (resistive vs. non-resistive), and there are unresolved mathematical interpretations regarding the behavior of power in AC systems.

M.Kalai vanan
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what does the positive and negative half cycles in an ac represent?
 
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M.Kalai vanan said:
what does the positive and negative half cycles in an ac represent?

The direction of the current. That's why it's called ALTERNATING current.
 
What does the C in AC stand for?
 
I gather you're referring to a waveform?
It's a graph of volts versus time.
Traditionally horizontal axis is time; vertical is voltage with positive up and negative down.
 
Personally I never liked the "C" - because power requires voltage AND current. In AC BOTH the voltage and current change polarity - so (typically) the power is always flowing in one direction.
 
M.Kalai vanan said:
what does the positive and negative half cycles in an ac represent?
Positive and negative cycles represent the direction of the alternating current.AC reverses its direction many times in a second.Number of times it changes its direction in a second is measured as frequency.Go through the Alternating current for more information..
 
Windadct said:
Personally I never liked the "C" - because power requires voltage AND current. In AC BOTH the voltage and current change polarity - so (typically) the power is always flowing in one direction.
Except for the special case of the load being purely resistive, the power in AC does alternate with each positive pulse followed by a smaller negative pulse to deliver an average power that is positive.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Except for the special case of the load being purely resistive, the power in AC does alternate with each positive pulse followed by a smaller negative pulse to deliver an average power that is positive.

Sorry, but no. The positive and negative half cycles are the same size and there is no pulsing. When V and I are in-phase, V*I is positive when both V and I are positive, and V*I is positive when V and I are both negative. Look at the drawings in the Insight article.
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/ac-power-analysis-part-1-basics/
 
anorlunda said:
Sorry, but no. The positive and negative half cycles are the same size and there is no pulsing. When V and I are in-phase, V*I is positive when both V and I are positive, and V*I is positive when V and I are both negative. Look at the drawings in the Insight article.
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/ac-power-analysis-part-1-basics/
Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote?

That's a useful article, including this figure which neatly illustrates the general case I describe:

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