Accelerating to the Speed of Light

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of accelerating to the speed of light at a constant acceleration of 1 G. Participants explore the implications of classical mechanics versus relativistic physics in this context, examining the time it would take and the challenges involved in such acceleration.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that it would take an infinite time to reach the speed of light, emphasizing that it is impossible to achieve this speed.
  • Others present classical calculations, estimating that under non-relativistic assumptions, it would take about one Earth year to reach the speed of light at 1 G acceleration.
  • Several participants argue that relativity must be considered, noting that as speed increases, mass effectively increases, which complicates the acceleration process.
  • One participant mentions that while you could theoretically accelerate to the speed of light, the energy required would diverge to infinity as you approach that speed.
  • Another viewpoint highlights the importance of specifying the frame of reference for constant acceleration and questions the meaning of 1 G in the context of general relativity effects.
  • Some participants assert that the effects of special relativity are well understood, countering claims of uncertainty regarding the behavior of massive particles near light speed.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between mass and momentum, with one participant arguing that momentum increases rather than mass as speed approaches light speed.
  • Participants also discuss the implications of maintaining 1 G acceleration throughout the journey and the potential effects of general relativity on measurements of time and distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility of reaching the speed of light and the role of relativity in such calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach or outcome of the scenario presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of acceleration and the effects of general relativity, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. The calculations presented vary significantly based on assumptions made about the nature of acceleration and relativistic effects.

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Hypothetically, how long would it take to get to the speed of light at 1 G of acceleration? Is this simple math or does relativity some how get into the calculation?



























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It would take an infinite time :smile:
It is not possible to accelerate and reach the speed of light :smile:
 
Let's do it classically assuming no relativity.

v=vo+at
c=gt
t=c/g
t=(3*10^8 m/s) / (10 m/s^2)

t = 3*10^7 s

That's just about one Earth year.
 
Relativity is involved, and the reason you can never reach the speed of light, is that as you go faster your mass increases by 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

You can use this with the normal acceleration formulae to work out, with a constant force, how you will accelerate.
 
If you specify a constant acceleration you 'could' accelerate to the speed of light. The only problem is that the energy (force) needed to maintain that acceleration as you near a good clip will diverge to infinity (since your mass does the same).
 
James Leighe said:
If you specify a constant acceleration you 'could' accelerate to the speed of light.
You would need to specify from whose frame of reference that constant acceleration is measured.
 
In theory, nothing with mass can travel faster than the speed of light, but I will answer your question mathematically anyways. Assuming you start from rest and we use the acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2

Vf = Vi + AT
T = Vf - Vi / A
T = ((299792458) - (0)) / (9.8)
T = 30591067.14 seconds or 354 days.
 
zeromodz said:
In theory, nothing with mass can travel faster than the speed of light, but I will answer your question mathematically anyways. Assuming you start from rest and we use the acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2

Vf = Vi + AT
T = Vf - Vi / A
T = ((299792458) - (0)) / (9.8)
T = 30591067.14 seconds or 354 days.
No. This is NOT correct.

It is only true at speeds well below c. Nearer c, the acceleration levels off. The correct formula is 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2).



Here is what you can expect:

After x years of 1g acceleration you will be traveling at a velocity of y:
Code:
years accel     velocity
    1                0.77c
    2                0.97c
    5                0.99993c
    8                0.9999998c 
   12                0.99999999996c
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/rocket.html

Note that, after one year, you are only doing 3/4ths of c. It's not until 2 years that you near c.
 
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Not to be a total nerd about this, but the mass doesn't increase, the momentum does. And in response to the original question, the reality of the matter is that no one is entirely sure what happens because examples of particles with mass that move at or near the speed of light are very uncommon and rarely weigh more than an electron. Most answers will reflect the theoretical opinion of the person answering. In short, it seems like the 'one Earth year' answer is what you were looking for, and I registered on this forum primarily because I thought it was a really good question.
 
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pnhcafe said:
And in response to the original question, the reality of the matter is that no one is entirely sure what happens because examples of particles with mass that move at or near the speed of light are very uncommon and rarely weigh more than an electron.

Not sure where you get your information from but we are very sure what happens. SR is one of the most thoroughly-verified theories in the history of science.
 
  • #11
pnhcafe said:
And in response to the original question, the reality of the matter is that no one is entirely sure what happens because examples of particles with mass that move at or near the speed of light are very uncommon and rarely weigh more than an electron.
Satellites go plenty fast enough for the effects of SR to be measured.
 
  • #12
DaveC426913 said:
No. This is NOT correct.

It is only true at speeds well below c. Nearer c, the acceleration levels off. The correct formula is 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2).


c.

One year is mathematically correct if you could somehow maintain one G throughout the significant relativistic phase of the trip.
 
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What does 1G even means when both 1 meter and 1 second are affected by GR effects ?
 
  • #14
ruko said:
One year is mathematically correct if you could somehow maintain one G throughout the significant relativistic phase of the trip.
The occupant will maintain 1g throughout the entire trip, no matter if the trip lasts 2 years or 62 years.
 
  • #15
guerom00 said:
What does 1G even means when both 1 meter and 1 second are affected by GR effects ?
Well, since the OP never mentioned we were doing this within a deep gravity well, we can ignore GR effects.
 

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