Acceleration due to air resistance?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration due to air resistance for a long-range projectile, specifically one intended to travel no farther than 2 miles. The original poster presents parameters including drag coefficient, air density, cross-sectional area, velocity, and mass, but expresses concern over an unusually high calculated acceleration value.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants question the validity of the original poster's parameters, particularly the cross-sectional area and mass of the projectile. There are discussions about the implications of these values on the calculated deceleration and the feasibility of the projectile's flight at the stated velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the complexities of drag coefficient variations and the challenges of finding a closed-form solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding approximations that could be made, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or values.

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Participants note potential issues with the original poster's assumptions, particularly regarding the size and mass of the projectile, which may affect the calculations significantly. There is an acknowledgment that the drag coefficient is not constant and varies with velocity, complicating the analysis.

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a friend of mine asked if i could help him work out some equations for a (fairly) long range projectile, to go no farther than 2 miles or so. i have everything reasonably worked out except for acceleration due to air resistance. I'm using the equation from https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=9066" thread to calculade Fd, and Cd=.295, rho=1.22752kg/m^3, A=pi.2^2m^2, v=240m/s, firing an object with a mass of .23kg. (Cd and rho both came from the Nasa website) I did the calculations and got an estimated acceleration of about (-)5698 m/s^2, which obviously cannot be right.

I was also wondering if there is any way to get a more accurate velocity by factoring in acceleration of gravity and air resistance. I'd assume it'll take some nasty algebra/calculus, but i can't figure it out on my own.

any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Area = 4pi square meters and a mass of only 0.23 kg? That sounds pretty much like a 2 meter diameter balloon to me.

If you tried moving something as big and light as that at 240 m/s (mach 0.7), the deceleration would indeed be large.
 
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Area = 4pi square meters and a mass of only 0.23 kg? That sounds pretty much like a 2 meter diameter balloon to me.

If you tried moving something as big and light as that at 240 m/s (mach 0.7), the deceleration would indeed be large.

I think the area is 0.04pi m^2. Still very large. A projectile with a 20 cm diameter with a mass of only 0.23 kg can´t fly at 240 m/s.
 
Its not a wieldy problem, first Cd is not a constant at all but varies with velocity in a complex fashion, making this impossible to find an exact closed form solution. However, you could approximate a soln using a fixed Cd and initial V that's only subject to drag and gravity. But check the diameter, this is as pointed out much too low a ballistic coefficient to go anywhere due to whiffle ball effect.
 

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