Acceleration due to gravity question

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The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration due to gravity, specifically questioning whether this acceleration remains constant under different conditions, such as varying distances and times of fall. Participants explore the implications of gravitational acceleration in scenarios involving bouncing objects and the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and distance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if acceleration due to gravity remains 9.8 m/s² for falls less than a meter or taking less than a second.
  • Another participant asserts that acceleration due to gravity is always 9.8 m/s², regardless of distance or time.
  • A follow-up question addresses whether the acceleration remains the same if an object bounces back up after falling.
  • Participants discuss the definition of acceleration in terms of velocity and time, suggesting that average acceleration can be calculated using initial and final velocities.
  • One participant proposes using energy balance to determine the time taken for an object to bounce to a height after impact, assuming a fully elastic bounce.
  • There is a discussion about how gravitational acceleration changes with depth and distance from the Earth, with some participants suggesting linear and others proposing inverse square relationships.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between changes in velocity and constant acceleration, indicating a need for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how acceleration due to gravity behaves under various conditions, with no consensus reached on the implications of distance and time on acceleration. There are also competing models regarding how gravitational acceleration changes with depth and distance from the Earth.

Contextual Notes

Some statements about the behavior of gravitational acceleration depend on assumptions about uniformity of Earth's density and the nature of the bounce (elastic vs. inelastic). The discussion includes unresolved mathematical relationships and definitions that may affect interpretations.

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Hi guys

To me I sound stupid, but I'm probably just overthinking the question. I know acceleration due to gravity is 9.8m/s/s.
But if the distance is less than a metre or takes less than a second, wouldn't the acceleration be less than 9.8? If so, how is that worked out?
If not, then is it correct to say that if something falls for a distance of 0.7m and comes to a stop, the acceleration is still 9.8m/s/s?
 
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catfish said:
But if the distance is less than a metre or takes less than a second, wouldn't the acceleration be less than 9.8?
No

catfish said:
If not, then is it correct to say that if something falls for a distance of 0.7m and comes to a stop, the acceleration is still 9.8m/s/s?
Yes
 
Ok thanks. Next question. If the object bounces back up, is the acceleration still the same? And how do I go about working out the time it takes after impact to bounce to a height? The only details I've got is what I used to calculate velocity and momentum at impact.
 
Acceleration is not defined in terms of distance and time. It is defined in terms of velocity and time. To determine average acceleration, you take initial velocity and final velocity, and divide it by time.

You can relate acceleration and distance, too, but then you need more details. For example, if you can assume that your acceleration is constant, as in the case of acceleration due to gravity close to the Earth, then you can use the SUVAT equations.
 
catfish said:
If the object bounces back up, is the acceleration still the same?
Yes, the (gravitational) acceleration is still the same (but the object would see it as a deceleration)

catfish said:
And how do I go about working out the time it takes after impact to bounce to a height? The only details I've got is what I used to calculate velocity and momentum at impact.
By setting up the energy balance of the system consisting of kinetic and potential energy, assuming a fully elastic bounce and no friction.
E = \frac{1}{2} m v^2+m g h
And using the height at impact (h=0) to calculate the kinetic energy of the system.
At height = h you can calculate the velocity and using v_h = v_0 - gt you can calculate the time.
 
catfish said:
Hi guys

To me I sound stupid, but I'm probably just overthinking the question. I know acceleration due to gravity is 9.8m/s/s.
But if the distance is less than a metre or takes less than a second, wouldn't the acceleration be less than 9.8? If so, how is that worked out?
If not, then is it correct to say that if something falls for a distance of 0.7m and comes to a stop, the acceleration is still 9.8m/s/s?

The acceleration due to gravity is about 9.8 m/s/s at all times and everywhere within a shell of space surrounding the sphere defined as "sea level" on Earth. Below that sphere it declines to zero (linearly? - not sure) down to the center of the Earth; above that it also declines, but exponentially, reaching zero at infinite distance.
 
puncheex said:
The acceleration due to gravity is about 9.8 m/s/s at all times and everywhere within a shell of space surrounding the sphere defined as "sea level" on Earth. Below that sphere it declines to zero (linearly? - not sure)
Yes, linearly.

down to the center of the Earth; above that it also declines, but exponentially, reaching zero at infinite distance.
Not 'exponentially', proportional to the inverse square of distance.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, linearly.

In an ideal model where the density of the Earth is uniform, the decline would be linear. In fact, the density of the Earth is not uniform. Wikipedia has a nice graph about 2/5 of the way down the following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_of_Earth
 
Check. Thanks for the additional information, both of you.
 
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Ohhhh I think I know why I was confused. I was thinking about changes in velocity. So the velocity will change even though acceleration is still the same, right?
 

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