Acceleration in Space: Questions & Answers

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The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration in the vacuum of space, particularly focusing on the implications of having an infinite fuel supply for a propulsion device. Participants explore various scenarios regarding how acceleration would behave under different assumptions, including classical mechanics and relativistic effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that with infinite fuel, the mass of the fuel would also be infinite, potentially leading to a situation where no movement occurs.
  • Another participant states that if a constant force is applied to an object at rest, it will accelerate according to Newton's laws, resulting in constant acceleration if mass and force remain unchanged.
  • Some participants propose that if the infinite fuel supply is modeled as a tanker truck transferring fuel, constant acceleration could be achieved in the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame.
  • It is noted that as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass increases, which complicates acceleration, making it impossible to reach the speed of light due to the requirement of infinite energy.
  • A later reply mentions a more realistic scenario where a limited fuel supply could allow a rocket to exceed the speed of its exhaust under certain conditions.
  • One participant introduces an additional option (D), stating that one would continually speed up, approaching the speed of light but never reaching it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effects of infinite fuel on acceleration, with some agreeing on the implications of relativistic mass while others explore different models of fuel supply. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in assumptions about mass and force, as well as the implications of relativistic effects on acceleration. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Sorry if this is the wrong section or a post like this has been already created. I had a thought but the question remains unanswered. I have limited knowledge of physics and was hoping someone on this forum could help me.

First assume you were in the vacuum of space. Next assume you had some sort of propulsion device ( engine, motor, jet, etc). Lastly assume you had infinite fuel.

If you began to accelerate would you,
A.) Accelerate to a peak speed pre-determined by the output of the device and continue at that speed. Also limited by numerous factors
B.) Accelerate at constant rate
or
C.) Accelerate exponentially.
 
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You have to be careful to about stating the exact conditions. For example, If you have infinite fuel, you don't move at all - your infinite fuel supply will have infinite mass - and I don't think that's the answer you're looking for.

If you are asking what happens to an object that starts out at rest relative to you and is subjected to a constant force by some external agency, classical mechanics says the object will accelerate away from you according to Newton's ##F=ma## for as long as the force is applied. If neither the mass nor the force change the acceleration will be constant.

If you allow for the effects of special relativity (which only start to show up after the object has already reached a significant fraction of the speed of light) the acceleration is more complicated. The object's speed gets closer and closer to the speed of light, never stops increasing, but never quite reaches ##c##.
 
If the infinite fuel supply is modeled as a kind of tanker truck that pulls alongside and transfers fuel as needed then the result is constant acceleration as measured in the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame.
 
Like Nugatory said, you'd never quite reach the speed of light. The reason is that as matter moves faster, its mass increases. When matter reaches the speed of light, its mass becomes infinite (which would require infinite force to accelerate further). If you keep applying the same force for acceleration, the ever-increasing mass means the acceleration gradually decreases (because the same force won't accelerate an increased mass as much) and you'll never quite reach the speed of light. To accelerate an infinite mass, you would need infinite energy, with neither being possible.
 
jbriggs444 said:
If the infinite fuel supply is modeled as a kind of tanker truck that pulls alongside and transfers fuel as needed then the result is constant acceleration as measured in the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame.

Indeed it is, and interestingly that will hold for both classical and relativistic mechanics.
 
Bob Carnevali said:
The reason is that as matter moves faster, its mass increases. When matter reaches the speed of light, its mass becomes infinite (which would require infinite force to accelerate further). If you keep applying the same force for acceleration, the ever-increasing mass means the acceleration gradually decreases (because the same force won't accelerate an increased mass as much) and you'll never quite reach the speed of light. To accelerate an infinite mass, you would need infinite energy, with neither being possible.

There's an FAQ over in the relativity section of the forum: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-is-relativistic-mass-and-why-is-it-not-used-much.783220/#post-4919337
 
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Just in case your'e wondering about a more realistic situation with a limited supply of fuel: if ~63.2121% ((e-1) / e) or more of the initial mass of a rocket is fuel, then as the fuel is depleted, the rockets speed can increase greater than the speed of the exhaust fuel (relative to the rocket).
 
D) you would continually speed up, approaching c (the speed of light in vacuum) but never reach it.
 

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