Acceleration of a cart being pulled by falling weights

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment investigating the acceleration of a cart being pulled by weights over a pulley. The original poster describes the setup and the challenge of relating their findings to Newton's laws without explicitly using the formula F=ma.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to explain their prediction regarding the relationship between the acceleration of the cart and the force of the weights, referencing Newton's first law. Some participants question the restriction on using F=ma and suggest considering the force exerted by the weights in relation to the acceleration of the cart.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of not using F=ma and how to articulate the relationship between force and acceleration based on the experimental setup. There is a recognition of the need to demonstrate the relationship without directly invoking Newton's second law.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the coursework requires them to demonstrate the principles of Newton's second law through their results, which limits their ability to use the formula directly in their predictions.

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Homework Statement



For my physics practical I have to conduct an experiment where I have to investigate the acceleration of a small cart, its a block of wood with wheels on it.

The set up is I have a one metre distance marked on a desk from the edge of the desk. at the edge of the desk is a pulley wheel. The cart is placed at the start of the metre distance and then tied to a piece of string which goes over the pulley and then connects to weights which pull the cart towards the pulley.

The problem is we have to basically at the end of the experiment show how this is relevant to the formula, f=ma, and therefore Newtons second law, without stating it.

However we have to predict whether that acceleration of the cart will be proportional to the force of the weights or whether it will be directly proportional to the force. I can obviously tell it shall be directly proportional from my knowledge of Newtons second law. However I can't figure out how to explain my prediction without using this law?

He told us that we could and had to use Newtons first law to back this up and also some other general physics as well.

Homework Equations



F=ma, but I can't use it.


The Attempt at a Solution



The closest I have came to explaining is that if Newtons first law states that an object will remain at rest or constant speed as long as no resultant force acts upon it, then the weights are a resultant force which will cause the cart to change from being at rest to a state of motion and that this motion shall be accelerating as the resultant force will still be acting upon the cart.

However that doesn't explain how the acceleration will be directly proportional to the force
 
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Why can't you use F=ma? The weight exerts a force at the pulley equal to F=mg (where g is the a due to gravity), and the cart accelerates at a = F/m (same F, without considering friction).
 
We can't use f=ma as a later part of our coursework is to show how we could use our results to prove Newtons Second law, I know its well proven but its just something we have to do.

So therefore we can't use it as part of our prediction.
 
rollcast said:
We can't use f=ma as a later part of our coursework is to show how we could use our results to prove Newtons Second law, I know its well proven but its just something we have to do.

So therefore we can't use it as part of our prediction.

Newton might have thought things in this order: mass is a very old concept (albeit as weight); acceleration is a newer concept related to speed; force is ill-defined but must be related to the other two in such an experiment as you describe. The experiment proves the relationship.
 

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