Acceleration & Special Relativity: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of acceleration and relative motion in the context of special relativity, particularly focusing on the time dilation thought experiment involving a person traveling at near light speed in a rocket compared to one remaining on Earth. Participants explore how to determine who is actually moving without acceleration and the implications of inertial frames in special relativity.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine relative motion without acceleration, suggesting that force is needed for such determination and expressing confusion about the role of special relativity equations that focus on velocity.
  • Another participant asserts that acceleration is necessary for comparing times, as one person must turn around, thus experiencing acceleration.
  • A different participant explains that special relativity does consider acceleration, noting that the person in the rocket experiences acceleration while the person on Earth does not.
  • One participant emphasizes that special relativity operates within inertial frames, which do not accelerate, and discusses the implications of this for understanding relative motion.
  • Another participant elaborates on the nature of inertial frames and how special relativity can be applied even in non-inertial coordinates, likening it to using fictitious forces in Newtonian mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of acceleration in determining relative motion and the application of special relativity. There is no consensus on how to reconcile these perspectives, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that special relativity requires inertial frames and that acceleration does not directly factor into the Lorentz transform, length contraction, or time dilation, which may lead to confusion regarding the role of acceleration in these contexts.

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So my question arises from the whole time dilation thought experiment where one person stays on Earth the other speeds off in a rocket at near light speed. Upon return of course the one in the rocket is younger, etc. The reason I bring this up is how do we determine who is actually moving, without an acceleration. I thought you need a force to determine the relative motion and since all the SR equations seem to only focus on velocity how do we know it isn't simply the Earth moving away from the rocket ship. I mean I'm sure something explains this, but I'm just slightly confused where and how it is incorporated. I also figure that I should add, my knowledge of special relativity is very elementary as I have never studied the theory in-depth.
 
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Someone had to turn around in order for them to compare times. The one turning around performed an acceleration.
 
Special Relativity does include consideration of acceleration. And the way you know you are accelerating is if there is a net force acting on you. So the guy in the rocket is the one who experiences the acceleration, while the guy back on Earth does not experience acceleration.

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delsaber8 said:
So my question arises from the whole time dilation thought experiment where one person stays on Earth the other speeds off in a rocket at near light speed. Upon return of course the one in the rocket is younger, etc. The reason I bring this up is how do we determine who is actually moving, without an acceleration. I thought you need a force to determine the relative motion and since all the SR equations seem to only focus on velocity how do we know it isn't simply the Earth moving away from the rocket ship. I mean I'm sure something explains this, but I'm just slightly confused where and how it is incorporated. I also figure that I should add, my knowledge of special relativity is very elementary as I have never studied the theory in-depth.

Special relativity, like Newtonian mechanics, works only in inertial frames. Inertial frames, by definition, do not accelerate. A non-exhaustive but hopefully illuminating requirement for a frame to be inertial is that an accelerometer, placed at constant coordinates within the frame, reads zero.

The relative acceleration of any two inertial frames will be zero.

Acceleration does not enter directly into the Lorentz transform, length contraction, or time dilation, only the velocity is important.

So - the requirements for special relativity to work are basically similar to the requirements for Newtonian mechanics, except that if you want to take into account gravitational effects, you need to use General Relativity rather than special relativity. It is difficult to say when you can neglect GR effects unless you're able to compute them - as a rule of thumb, I'd suggest looking at some of the GR effects with simple formula (like Gravitational Time Dilation) to see if they are significant in the problem.

Acceleration isn't really an issue for SR, except for the part where SR requires that inertial frames do not accelerate.
 
pervect said:
Special relativity, like Newtonian mechanics, works only in inertial frames.

Just like you can do Newtonian mechanics by introducing time dependent coordinate systems by introduction of fictitious forces, you can do SR in coordinates that are not inertial. This is essentially equivalent to being able to describe a Euclidean space with curvilinear coordinates. The space is still Euclidean regardless of the coordinate representation, some things might be obscured by the non-linear coordinate system, but others may appear more tractable. If I use Rindler coordinates in Minkowski space, I am still doing SR. However, this goes beyond what you would typically encounter when studying SR.
 

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