Acidity in organic compounds and hybridization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the acidity of hydrogen atoms in various organic compounds, focusing on the relationship between hybridization and acidity. Participants explore how to identify acidic hydrogens, the influence of electronegativity, and the reasoning behind the order of acidity among different compounds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the most acidic hydrogen is the one closest to the most electronegative element and proposes an order of acidity based on hybridization.
  • Another participant agrees with the labeling of acidic hydrogens but emphasizes the importance of considering the electronegativities of the carbon atoms involved.
  • A question is raised about the concept of electronegativity among carbon atoms, with a participant expressing confusion about how one carbon could be more electronegative than another if they are the same element.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding the electronegativity of carbon atoms in single versus double bonds, suggesting that the carbon in a C-C single bond may be more electronegative due to the number of hydrogen atoms attached.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the labeling of acidic hydrogens and the influence of electronegativity on acidity. However, there is disagreement regarding the comparative electronegativity of carbon atoms in different bonding scenarios, leading to unresolved questions about the order of acidity.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of electronegativity in the context of hybridization and acidity, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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Homework Statement


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Label the acid hydrogen in each of the following compounds and arrange them in order of increasing acidity and explain the trend.

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I'm not quite sure what the question means by "label" the acidic hydrogen but I believe the most acidic hydrogen is the one closest to the most electronegative element, correct? I labeled them in the image with red but not sure if this is the conventional way of doing it or if I'm missing something? It just seems strange.

I would arrange them: C<B<A with A being the most acidic.

Why? My reasoning is that because the carbon with the triple bond is sp hybridized which means that 50% of its hybrid orbital is "s" character and since "s" orbitals are closer to the nucleus; they have a better capability of handling the negative charge left behind when the proton dissociates and thus forms a more stable conjugate base...same reasoning for the other two...thoughts? Thanks.
 
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I think you've done the labeling part right. Yes, the most acidic hydrogen is the one closest to the most electronegative element.

For the 'which is more acidic part', I'd suggest you look at the electronegativities of the three carbons. Which carbon atom is more electronegative and why? More the electronegativity, more the acidity.
 
Hello,

Thanks for the reply. What would make a carbon more electronegative? Aren't atoms of the same element equally electronegative? If anything, I guess, wouldn't the triple bond be the most electronegative? If that's the case, why would it be more electronegative? Thanks!
 
I studied this 5 years back so these concepts are a bit foggy. But consider a C-C single bond. It has 3 H atoms attached to it. Carbon being more electronegative than hydrogen will pull the 6 electrons (2 from each covalent bond) towards it. It won't pull the electrons

In case of C=C double bond, the carbon has only 2 H atoms attached to it. So it will pull only 4 electrons towards it.

By that logic, the single bond carbon (C-C) will be the more electronegative one. Makes sense?
 

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