Boosting Earth's Mass: Harvesting Planetary Resources and Impact on Gravity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of harvesting planetary resources to increase Earth's mass and the potential impact on gravity. Participants explore theoretical implications, including how much mass would need to be imported to notice a change in gravitational acceleration and the effects of higher gravity on human life and the environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that future resource depletion may lead to harvesting metals from other planets, raising questions about the effects on Earth's gravity.
  • Another participant estimates that approximately 1.134e23 kg of material would be needed to increase gravitational acceleration to 10 m/s², expressing doubt about reaching such a mass.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of increased gravity on human health, with questions about potential bone aches and mobility issues.
  • A participant mentions that an increase to 10 g might not be significantly noticeable, while an increase to 11 g would require about 7.219e23 kg of material, which could have catastrophic effects on Earth.
  • Some participants speculate about the implications of living in higher gravity, comparing it to the feeling of increased weight and immobility.
  • There is a discussion about the potential benefits of lower gravity, such as increased flexibility and jumping ability, but also concerns about losing the atmosphere if gravity decreases significantly.
  • One participant reflects on the idea of slowing the Earth down by moving mass from the center to the surface, questioning whether this would have any significant impact on Earth's velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of significantly increasing Earth's mass or the implications of such changes. Some participants doubt the practicality of importing enough mass to affect gravity, while others explore the potential consequences of higher or lower gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various calculations related to gravitational acceleration and mass, but these calculations are not universally accepted or agreed upon. The discussion includes speculative elements about the effects of gravity on human life and the environment, which remain unresolved.

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so i was thinking in the future all our resources would be depleted but we would harvest other planets for metals such as chrome aluminium titanium and so forth and maybe even iron.
And we all know the more mass the planet has the higher the gravitational pull.
so how much mass/resources can we import to Earth without it interfering with the g ?
and would we notice a small change from for instance 9.81 to 10.0 or 11.0?
 
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I really doubt it. We'd have to bring around 1.134e23 kg of material from outer space just for g to increase to 10. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but I really doubt it would get to that point.
 
Dewgale said:
I really doubt it. We'd have to bring around 1.134e23 kg of material from outer space just for g to increase to 10. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but I really doubt it would get to that point.

could happen, would we notice 10.0 g or 11.0 g?
 
I don't think 10 g would make a massive difference, g is occasionally rounded to that anyways.

11 would probably be a bigger difference, but we'd have to bring home about 7.219e23 kg of material. The effects on the Earth of bringing that much mass home would probably have killed us long before we noticed the difference in both cases.
 
Dewgale said:
I don't think 10 g would make a massive difference, g is occasionally rounded to that anyways.

11 would probably be a bigger difference, but we'd have to bring home about 7.219e23 kg of material. The effects on the Earth of bringing that much mass home would probably have killed us long before we noticed the difference in both cases.

killed us how? and what are the effect of living in higher g ? bone aches?
 
you can determine this yourself using the g=GM/r^2 with r=radius of the Earth and G the gravitational constant and M the mass of the Earth. From that you can M in terms of g: M=g*r^2/G so basically going from 9.81 to 9.82 is 0.01*r^2/G mass increase.

R = 6,371 km = 6.371E+6 m
G = 6.67384E-11
M = 6.081902e+21 kg for going from 9.81 to 9.82 m/s^2

current mass of Earth = 5.97219E+24 kilograms
 
EternityMech said:
killed us how? and what are the effect of living in higher g ? bone aches?

I suppose so, though I'm thinking more in terms of volume. There isn't enough room on Earth for that kind of mass without completely destroying natural life as we know it. Keep in mind, the amount we have to import is only a decimal place or so away from the mass of the earth; we'd be crushed.
 
thanks jedish but I am more concerned about the effects it has on mankind.
 
Dewgale said:
I suppose so, though I'm thinking more in terms of volume. There isn't enough room on Earth for that kind of mass without completely destroying natural life as we know it. Keep in mind, the amount we have to import is only a decimal place or so away from the mass of the earth; we'd be crushed.

i kinda thought of higher g would be same as gaining a lot of weight and feeling you are heavy as you walk for instance I am like 115kg so i feel heavy can't really move around much but i do weighttrain a lot of it is muslces. but i still feel a bit immobile.

although there is a flip side to that story and that is exporting minerals from Earth and having a lower g, that would be great we could jump higher and be more flexible. sometimes i feel the g on Earth is too much you get that feeling?
 
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EternityMech said:
i kinda thought of higher g would be same as gaining a lot of weight and feeling you are heavy as you walk for instance I am like 115kg so i feel heavy can't really move around much but i do weighttrain a lot of it is muslces. but i still feel a bit immobile.

although there is a flip side to that story and that is exporting minerals from Earth and having a lower g, that would be great we could jump higher and be more flexible. sometimes i feel the g on Earth is too much you get that feeling?

Not really.

I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject of meteorology, but I'm fairly certain if we had a significant decrease in our gravitational pull, we'd begin to lose our atmosphere at a faster rate, eventually losing it completely, and making it impossible to breath.

So, to be honest, I'm fairly happy with the gravity we have right now.
 
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I thought about how we're slowing the Earth down by bringing mass from the center to the surface. But I guess we're really not digging that far into the Earth, and we're really not moving that much mass.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
I thought about how we're slowing the Earth down by bringing mass from the center to the surface. But I guess we're really not digging that far into the Earth, and we're really not moving that much mass.

I don't even think that would make a significant difference on our velocity. It shouldn't make any, as far as I know, since no outside forces are being applied to the Earth by our doing that.
 

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