Advanced partial differentiation

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The discussion revolves around the topic of advanced partial differentiation, specifically focusing on developing expressions involving partial derivatives of two functions, F and G. The original poster seeks assistance in transforming two given expressions into single terms without grouping them into brackets.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the transformation of expressions involving partial derivatives, questioning how to approach them similarly to ordinary derivatives. Some discuss breaking down the expressions into separate derivatives and express uncertainty regarding the application of rules for different axes.

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Some participants have offered guidance on using basic differentiation rules, while others express a desire for further clarification and examples to ensure understanding. There is a mix of interpretations and approaches being explored, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants mention a lack of theoretical knowledge on partial differentiation and express varying levels of confidence in applying the rules. The original poster indicates a need for further examples to solidify their understanding.

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Homework Statement



Given two functions F and G, I will use the following notation to indicate partial differentiation:
Fx means dF/dx
Gz means dG/dz
(for example)

I would like to develop the following two expressions. I don't want them grouped into brackets as they're now, but I have to develop them into single terms using the rules of partial differentiation.

Homework Equations



(Fx2 + Fy2)x = ?

(FxGx + FyGy)y = ?


The Attempt at a Solution



Your help is very much appreciated, thanks in advance!
 
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What have you done so far? What would you do if they were ordinary derivatives for example?

(f'^2+g'^2)'=?
 
hunt_mat said:
What have you done so far? What would you do if they were ordinary derivatives for example?

(f'^2+g'^2)'=?


I would break them into two separate derivatives
(f'^2)' and same for g

then 2f'

but I wonder what happens with a different axis such as (Fy^2)x
even worse with the products (the second case)

unfortunately I don't have much theoretical knowledge on partial differentiation (it's been many years ago...)
 
There is nothing at all advanced about those, and no "theoretical knowledge" is need. You just use the basic rules for differentiation.

[tex](F_x+G_x + F_yG_y)_y = (F_xG_y)_y+ (F_xG_y)_y[/tex]
[tex]= F_{xx}G_y+ F_xG_{xy}+ F_{xy}G_y+ F_xG_{yy}[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
There is nothing at all advanced about those, and no "theoretical knowledge" is need. You just use the basic rules for differentiation.

[tex](F_x+G_x + F_yG_y)_y = (F_xG_y)_y+ (F_xG_y)_y[/tex]
[tex]= F_{xx}G_y+ F_xG_{xy}+ F_{xy}G_y+ F_xG_{yy}[/tex]


Thanks for your help HallsofIvy.
I'm not a mathematician, so I find it quite difficult, please understand.

The expression you worked out is for my 2nd case right? (I guess you just did a couple of typos, but that's why I'm not sure).
With your example I think I should be able to work out also the 1st case, but do you mind to show me that too? I'd like to check if I actually can do it

Thanks again!
 

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