Advice about the Reading Course in Mathematics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a student's upcoming reading course in set theory, exploring preparation strategies, expectations from the professor, and the appropriateness of prior knowledge and resources. The conversation includes advice on how to engage effectively in the course and the relevance of foundational materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The student expresses anxiety about disappointing the professor and seeks advice on preparation and interaction during the reading course.
  • Some participants suggest that being proactive and prepared is crucial, emphasizing the importance of doing the reading and engaging with the material.
  • One participant reassures the student that if they are not wasting their time, they are not wasting the professor's time, encouraging open communication about difficulties.
  • There is a discussion about whether the student should review Halmos's Naive Set Theory before starting Jech/Hrbacek's textbook, with some arguing that it is unnecessary.
  • Participants debate the assumption of prior knowledge required for Jech/Hrbacek's book, with some asserting that basic set theory knowledge is sufficient to begin.
  • The student inquires whether formulating their own hypotheses and approaches to theorems would be viewed positively or negatively by the professor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of reviewing prior materials before starting the reading course. While some believe it is unnecessary, others argue that foundational knowledge is important. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to prior study.

Contextual Notes

The conversation reflects varying opinions on the prerequisites for studying set theory and the expectations of professors in a reading course setting. There are also indications of uncertainty about how to balance self-study with guidance from the professor.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for advanced reading courses in mathematics, particularly in abstract fields like set theory, and those interested in effective strategies for engaging with faculty in one-on-one academic settings.

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Dear Physics Forum personnel,

I am a collegiate junior at US with double majors in the mathematics and computer science, and an aspiring theoretical computer scientist. My current courses in the analysis and linear algebra, and undergraduate research in the theoretical computer science fired my interest to the set theory. I initially decided to explore and study the set theory by myself, but I thought it would be a very good idea to study the subject under the experts like mathematical faculty members since I think self-studying in the mathematics, particularly in an abstract field like a set theory, all by myself might lead me to an erroneous understanding of the subject. So I contacted an emeritus professor who did very fascinating research in the set theory and mathematical logics about a guided reading, and fortunately he agreed to do so (starting on January, an hour per week, Jech/Hrbacek's Set Theory textbook) and guide my studying of the set theory.

I never did a reading course before, so I am excited and nervous at the same time. I am especially afraid that I might disappoint the professor by asking uninteresting questions or cannot following his insight or the textbook. What should I prepare myself for the reading course, and how should I interact with the professor for the reading course? What does a professor expect from the student, especially during the one-hour meeting per week?

I apologize for the grammatical error (leaving off to the library).
 
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bacte2013 said:
... I am especially afraid that I might disappoint the professor by asking uninteresting questions or cannot following his insight or the textbook. What should I prepare myself for the reading course, and how should I interact with the professor for the reading course? What does a professor expect from the student, especially during the one-hour meeting per week?

Congratulations on being a good student! Being interested and proactive will get you far. You've already taken the hardest step.

As to practical advice, the most important thing is to be prepared. Do the reading. Do the problems. Think about the material. The professor will likely provide you with the help you need. If you're having trouble understanding something, say so and you'll get help. If you're having difficulty with some problem, say so and you'll get help. If you're not having difficulty with anything, say so and you'll spend your time with the professor exploring related materials or more interesting problems. Really, any professor who would volunteer to do this is interested in getting you what you need. So your job is to do the reading, do the work, and make sure what you need is as clear as possible. I'll be very interested in hearing how this works out for you.

One thing you should keep very clear in your mind -- if you are not wasting your time then you are not wasting the professor's time. If you ever feel you are wasting your time, then speak up because that means that everybody is wasting their time. In a one on one situation like this, there's no excuse for that.
 
IGU said:
Congratulations on being a good student! Being interested and proactive will get you far. You've already taken the hardest step.

As to practical advice, the most important thing is to be prepared. Do the reading. Do the problems. Think about the material. The professor will likely provide you with the help you need. If you're having trouble understanding something, say so and you'll get help. If you're having difficulty with some problem, say so and you'll get help. If you're not having difficulty with anything, say so and you'll spend your time with the professor exploring related materials or more interesting problems. Really, any professor who would volunteer to do this is interested in getting you what you need. So your job is to do the reading, do the work, and make sure what you need is as clear as possible. I'll be very interested in hearing how this works out for you.

One thing you should keep very clear in your mind -- if you are not wasting your time then you are not wasting the professor's time. If you ever feel you are wasting your time, then speak up because that means that everybody is wasting their time. In a one on one situation like this, there's no excuse for that.

Thank you very much for the detailed advice! Now I can formulate my own approach and behaviors for the reading course. I am very excited to start studying the set theory under the professor one-to-one! I met him and he is very knowledgeable and friendly, which really destroys my nervousness. I am going to use this winter break to review Halmos's Naive Set Theory and learn some basics in mathematical logics.
 
bacte2013 said:
I am going to use this winter break to review Halmos's Naive Set Theory

No need. Just start with Hrbacek and Jech right away.
 
micromass said:
No need. Just start with Hrbacek and Jech right away.

Why? I feel like the book I will use, "Set Theory" by Jech/Hrbacek, assume some basic knowledge in the axiomatic set theory.
 
bacte2013 said:
Why? I feel like the book I will use, "Set Theory" by Jech/Hrbacek, assume some basic knowledge in the axiomatic set theory.

It doesn't. If you know basic set theory (like you do), then you can start the book.
 
micromass said:
It doesn't. If you know basic set theory (like you do), then you can start the book.

By "basic" set theory, do you mean the set-theory sections of Rudin, Zorich, and Shilov? Do you also know some books that make great supplements to J/H?
 
bacte2013 said:
By "basic" set theory, do you mean the set-theory sections of Rudin, Zorich, and Shilov?

Yes, those will be sufficient.
 
micromass said:
Yes, those will be sufficient.

Thank you very much! I can't wait for this semester to end so I can dip myself to the world of set theory! In the typical reading course, is formulating my own approach to the theorems and definitions and formulating my own hypothesis to try to answer my own confusion and disjointed thoughts viewed favorably by the professor (or come as arrogant approach)?
 

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