Aerodynamics: Recirculation Zone Wake and Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of speed on the recirculation zone and wake of blunt bodies, specifically in the context of supersonic and hypersonic speeds, with a focus on reentry vehicles like Apollo. Participants explore the relationship between speed, Mach number, and Reynolds number in this aerodynamic scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how speed affects the recirculation zone and wake for blunt bodies at supersonic and hypersonic speeds, questioning whether these features become longer or wider.
  • Another participant suggests that Mach number and Reynolds number are more relevant than speed itself, indicating these parameters should be the focus of research.
  • A different participant notes that while searching for information, they found indications that Mach and Reynolds numbers increase the length of the recirculation zone at subsonic and transonic speeds, but decrease it at supersonic and hypersonic speeds, although clarity on this is lacking.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the details of wakes and suggests further research is necessary.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of independent research, recommending the use of Google Scholar for finding relevant papers, as the topic is considered niche.
  • There is a mention of potential rules of thumb regarding recompression shock angles and pressure differences, although it is noted that these may not be widely taught in academic settings.
  • A participant with teaching experience in compressible flow admits to not having immediate answers, stating that inviscid phenomena like shock angles depend on geometry and Mach number, while viscous phenomena depend on both Mach and Reynolds numbers.
  • One participant speculates that calculating recompression shock angles could be beneficial, while also considering the impact of unsteadiness in the wake.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of how speed affects the recirculation zone and wake. There are multiple competing views regarding the relevance of Mach and Reynolds numbers, and the discussion remains unresolved with ongoing uncertainty about the details.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in available knowledge, particularly regarding the specialized nature of the topic and the lack of clear, accessible information in standard educational resources.

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How does speed effect the recirculation zone and wake for supersonic and hypersonic speeds? Does it get longer, wider?
Also this is for a blunt body like apollo reentering
 
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Speed is not directly relevant. Mach number and Reynolds number will be the most important parameters. You might start there with your search.
 
I thought I had searched for mach number, apparently I hadnt searched mach number or reynolds numbers effects on it. It seems like subsonically and transsonically mach number and reynolds number increase the length of the recirculation zone, and supersonically and hypersonically decrease the length, but nothing I found was very clear on it
 
You'll just have to keep up the search. I don't know any of the details of wakes like that to give you any answers here. I just know the basic parameters that govern it.
 
Ok, thanks. Ill move it to aerospace and see if anything comes up
 
I meant to do your own independent research on it. Search Google scholar and look for papers. You likely won't find that answer by asking on here. It's fairly niche.
 
Yeah it seemed like it. I don't think I am going to find it here. And I will be looking on google scholar and stuff. But it doest hurt to ask. I thought there might have been some well known rules like recompression shock angles or pressure differences or something, or mabey it was some well known thing, but it doesn't seem so
 
There probably are rules of thumb at least to some degree, but the area is so specialized that it's not something that would typically be taught in any undergraduate fluids course or really any graduate courses. It's the sort of thing a researcher would learn from reading papers while conducting their research rather than in a classroom. Shoot, I even teach compressible flow courses and I don't know the answer to this off the top of my head. All I can tell you is that the inviscid phenomena like the shock angles are going to depend pretty much exclusively on the geometry and the Mach number, and the viscous phenomena like unsteadiness in the wake are going to be based on the Mach and Reynolds numbers.
 
Hmmm, I wonder if since the recompression shocks and those shear layers seem to sort of bound the wake in, if calculating those angles might help, but the unsteadiness in the wake might effect it too. Looks like I have some research to do
 

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