Affine parameterization of a light ray

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The discussion revolves around the parameterization of a light ray as a null geodesic in flat spacetime. Participants explore the appropriateness of using time as an affine parameter and consider alternative parameterization choices, as well as the implications of these choices on the geodesic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether time ##t## can serve as an affine parameter for a light ray's null geodesic, proposing the parameterization of ##r(t) = R##, ##\theta(t) = 0##, and ##z(t) = ct##.
  • Another participant asserts that time ##t## can indeed serve as an affine parameter, suggesting that an alternative parameterization could be ##z##, which would simplify to the same form in natural units where ##c = 1##.
  • A participant expresses that using "coordinate time" ##t## is reasonable as it reflects the reading of a stationary clock, contrasting it with "proper time" ##\tau##, which cannot be used for a light ray.
  • Another participant challenges the use of ##\tau##, stating that there is no proper time for a light ray, emphasizing that null curves cannot be parametrized by arc length.
  • Discussion includes the derivation of the geodesic equation by extremizing proper time, noting that the integral is zero for lightlike geodesics, leading to questions about the validity of this approach.
  • One participant clarifies that the extremization process involves all curves from point A to B, not just geodesics, and questions the terminology used regarding lightlike curves.
  • A later reply confirms the clarification regarding lightlike curves and discusses the limiting case of lightlike geodesics as timelike geodesics approach a specific point.
  • Another participant notes the qualitative differences in defining geodesics for lightlike versus timelike and spacelike cases, particularly in lower dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using time as an affine parameter, with some supporting it and others contesting its validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best parameterization choice and the implications of using different parameters.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about parameterization choices and the implications of using coordinate versus proper time. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining geodesics in different dimensional contexts.

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Hello,

Is this parameterization correct? -

##r(t) = R = \mbox{const}##
##\theta(t) = 0 = \mbox{const}##
##z(t) = ct##
##t = t##

This is supposed to be the null geodesic curve in the case of a light ray, emitted at point {##r=R,\theta=0,z=0,t=0##} parallel to the ##z-##axis in flat spacetime. I'm posting because I am unsure if the time ##t## can serve as an affine parameter.

Are there better parameterization choices here?
 
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kkz23691 said:
I'm posting because I am unsure if the time ##t## can serve as an affine parameter.

It can.

kkz23691 said:
Are there better parameterization choices here?

Not really "better", but another equally good choice in this case would be ##z##; the only difference is the factor of ##c##, and if you use "natural" units in which ##c = 1##, that difference goes away.
 
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It seemed to me that the "coordinate time" ##t## would appear to be a reasonable parameter, because I understand it to be the reading of a stationary clock; while the "proper time" ##\tau## would be the reading of a clock traveling with the ray, and it would not be convenient to use ##\tau## as a parameter because it would show the same reading at any point of the curve.
 
kkz23691 said:
It seemed to me that the "coordinate time" ##t## would appear to be a reasonable parameter, because I understand it to be the reading of a stationary clock; while the "proper time" ##\tau## would be the reading of a clock traveling with the ray, and it would not be convenient to use ##\tau## as a parameter because it would show the same reading at any point of the curve.

There can be no clock which travels along with the light ray. There is no ##\tau## for a light ray, only an interval ##s=0## along the whole light ray. And you are right, this is definitely not a good affine (or really any other kind as well) parameter. Null curves can not be parametrized by their arc length.
 
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Something that always struck me as mysterious is that you can derive the geodesic equation

\frac{dU^\mu}{ds} + \Gamma^\mu_{\nu \lambda} U^\nu U^\lambda = 0

by extremizing proper time: \tau = \int \sqrt{g_{\mu \nu} U^\mu U^\nu} ds (where U^\mu = \frac{dx^\mu}{ds})*

but the equation works unchanged even for lightlike geodesics. The original integral is identically zero for lightlike geodesics, so extremizing it doesn't give you any equations of motion.

* Actually, extremizing proper time gives something like:

\frac{dU^\mu}{ds} + \Gamma^\mu_{\nu \lambda} U^\nu U^\lambda = U^\mu \frac{d}{ds} log(\mathcal{L}), where \mathcal{L} = \frac{d \tau}{ds}. By choosing s to be affine, you can make \mathcal{L} = a constant, so the right-hand side vanishes.
 
stevendaryl said:
The original integral is identically zero for lightlike geodesics, so extremizing it doesn't give you any equations of motion.

We don't consider the set of all geodesics from A to B and then extremize proper time to pick out one geodesic. We consider the set of all curves from A to B and extremize proper time, and that gives us one curve (or in some cases more than one), which is a geodesic. Did you mean to say "The original integral is identically zero for lightlike *curves*?"
 
bcrowell said:
We don't consider the set of all geodesics from A to B and then extremize proper time to pick out one geodesic. We consider the set of all curves from A to B and extremize proper time, and that gives us one curve (or in some cases more than one), which is a geodesic. Did you mean to say "The original integral is identically zero for lightlike *cuves*?"

Yes, that's what I meant.
 
A couple of points that may or may not be relevant:

- You can always consider a lightlike geodesic from A to B as the limiting case of a timelike geodesic, in the case where, say, the final point is brought closer and closer to B.

- Suppose you define timelike geodesics by extremization among timelike curves, and similarly for spacelike ones. The lightlike case is qualitatively different, because the dimensionality of the set is smaller. In particular, in 1+1 dimensions there is at most one smooth, lightlike curve from A to B, so extremization isn't even relevant.
 

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