Solve Null Geodesic: Affine Parameter & Coordinate Time - Q1,Q2,Q3

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of null geodesics, specifically focusing on the relationship between the affine parameter and coordinate time. Participants explore initial conditions for a light ray traveling in the x-direction and the implications of these conditions on derivatives with respect to both the affine parameter and coordinate time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether at ##t=0##, the conditions ##\dot{y}=\dot{z}=0## and ##\dot{z} \neq 0## hold, where ##\dot{x}## denotes ##\frac{dx}{ds}##.
  • Another participant asserts that the conditions ##\dot{y} = \dot{z} = 0## are indeed correct, interpreting "in the ##x## direction" as implying no movement in the y or z directions.
  • There is a discussion about whether one can conclude that ##\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{dz}{dt}=0## based on the previous conditions, with a participant explaining that the chain rule supports this conclusion.
  • Participants discuss the freedom to choose initial conditions such as ##s=t=0##, with one confirming that this is permissible.
  • However, it is also noted that choosing ##s = t = 0## does not inherently provide information about their derivatives or the relationships between them.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the use of proper time as the affine parameter for null geodesics, with one participant stating that it cannot be used, while another clarifies that the original poster does not appear to be making that mistake.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the initial conditions regarding the derivatives with respect to the affine parameter. However, there is some disagreement about the implications of these conditions for derivatives with respect to coordinate time, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the use of proper time as an affine parameter.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the chain rule for derivatives and the definitions of affine parameters, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of initial conditions on the behavior of the light ray.

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I am asked a question about how far a light ray travels, the question is to be solved by solving for the null goedesic.

I am given the initial data: the light ray is fired in the ##x## direction at ##t=0##.

The relvant coordinates in the question are ##t,x,y,z##, let ##s## be the affine parameter I parameterise the geodesics with.

MY QUESTION

Q1)Concerning the intial data, does this mean that at ##t=0##, ##\dot{y}=\dot{z}=0## and ##\dot(z)\neq 0 ##? where ##\dot{x}## denotes ##\frac{dx}{ds}## .

Q2)And not ##\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{dz}{dt}=0##? can we only make conclusions on the change with respect ##s##, or is it with respect to the coordinate time ##t## too?

Q3)Also, is one always free to choose initially that ##s=t=0##. If so, then if the answer to question 1 is yes, doesn't this imply the answer to question 2 is yes?

Many thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
let sss be the affine parameter I parameterise the geodesics with
I think you can't use proper time as the affine parameter for null geodesics.
 
davidge said:
I think you can't use proper time as the affine parameter for null geodesics.

You can't, but I don't see the OP doing that.
 
binbagsss said:
Concerning the intial data, does this mean that at ##t=0##, ##\dot{y}=\dot{z}=0## and ##(\dot(z)) \neq 0## ? where ##\dot{x}## denotes ##\frac{dx}{ds}##.

It means ##\dot{y} = \dot{z} = 0##, since that's what "in the ##x## direction" is supposed to mean. I'm not sure what the third thing is that you are asking if it's not equal to zero; but at ##t = 0##, you will have ##\dot{t} \neq 0## and ##\dot{s} \neq 0##.

binbagsss said:
And not ##\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{dz}{dt}=0##?

Those will be true too. The proof is easy: you have ##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{dy}{ds} \frac{ds}{dt}## by the chain rule, so the fact that ##\frac{dy}{ds} = 0## implies that ##\frac{dy}{dt} = 0##. Similarly for ##\frac{dz}{dt}##.

binbagsss said:
is one always free to choose initially that ##s=t=0##.

Yes.

binbagsss said:
if the answer to question 1 is yes, doesn't this imply the answer to question 2 is yes?

No, because choosing ##s = t = 0## at the initial event doesn't tell you anything by itself about their derivatives, or derivatives with respect to them. But as above, you can answer question 2 anyway.
 

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