Air pressure: water through a straw

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mechanics of sucking water through a straw, particularly the limitations imposed by air pressure and the height of the straw. Participants explore whether the 32-foot limit applies only to vertical straws or if it also holds for horizontal configurations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recall a claim that it is impossible to suck water through a straw longer than 32 feet due to air pressure limitations.
  • One participant asserts that the straw must be vertical for the 32-foot limit to apply, while questioning the understanding of the mechanics involved.
  • Another participant explains that atmospheric pressure can only support a column of water up to 32 feet high, thus limiting the height of the straw.
  • There is a suggestion that a "perfect vacuum" could theoretically allow water to be sucked up, but this is contingent on the weight of the water being equal to the force of air pressure.
  • Concerns are raised about the structural integrity of the straw, with one participant noting that a straw not strong enough to withstand a vacuum would collapse.
  • Another participant proposes an experiment using a shorter straw submerged in water to test the limits of suction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the 32-foot limit applies only to vertical straws or if it can be circumvented with horizontal configurations. There is no consensus on the mechanics involved or the feasibility of proposed experiments.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the mechanics of air pressure and suction without resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions related to the height and orientation of the straw.

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I vaguely remember a physics teacher once telling me that it is impossible to suck water through a straw that is longer than 32 feet because the air preassure is not strong enough to push it that high when you create a vacuum in your mouth. I know the mechanics behind sucking water through a straw, so that kinda makes sense to me.

My question is, if it is true, would the straw have to be 32 feet high, or can it be on it's side across a table ( or something to that affect)?

/edit for da_willem. my understanding of the mechanics was by no means worded correctly last time, please correct me if I am still wrong.
 
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Ofcourse it has to be 32 feet (actually 9,81m) high . Are you sure understand the mechanics behind sucking water through a straw?

skorski said:
I vaguely remember a physics teacher once telling me that it is impossible to suck water through a straw that is longer than 32 feet because the air preassure is not long enough. I know the mechanics behind sucking water through a straw, so that kinda makes sense to me.

My question is, if it is true, would the straw have to be 32 feet high, or can it be on it's side across a table ( or something to that affect)?
 
The straw will work as long as the difference in height between the 2 ends is less then 32ft. When you reduce the pressure above the water in the straw, atmospheric pressure will push the fluid up into the straw. But the atmosphere can only support a column of water 32ft high. So the atmosphere can only push the water up 32ft.
 
thanks for the verification Integral. Now, I'm going to find 33 feet of straw, and a 33 foot balcony to prove this to my friends who refuse to believe me
 
In other words, if you were a "perfect sucker" (there's one born every minute!) you could produce a perfect vacuum above the water: there would be no air pressure above it so air pressure on the surface of the water would push it up the straw. It can do that until the weight of the water in the straw (downward) is equal to the force of air pressure (upward). Yes, the straw has to be vertical.
 
skorski said:
thanks for the verification Integral. Now, I'm going to find 33 feet of straw, and a 33 foot balcony to prove this to my friends who refuse to believe me
Heck, just use a 5-foot (maybe 10 feet) straw (find some rubber or plastic tubing). Your lungs aren't anywhere near strong enough to suck a full vacuum.
 
Alas, your experiment is doomed. Even presuming you have olympic-level suction ability, the straw will collapse. Any material that is not strong enough to hold a vacuum will collapse.
 
You can do this in water also. Get a pipe about 3 or 4 foot long and see how far you can go down under water and still breathe. You probabally won't make the 3 foot mark.
 
Clart pipe
 

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