Airfoil question about camber and thickness

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of camber and thickness in airfoil design, exploring their definitions, differences, and implications for aerodynamic performance. Participants also address the distribution of thickness along the airfoil and its relationship to drag and lift.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that camber and thickness are distinct parameters, with camber relating to the curvature of the airfoil and thickness referring to its physical dimensions.
  • One participant notes that airfoil sections can be symmetrical and typically require a non-zero angle of attack to generate lift, while cambered airfoils can generate lift at zero angle of attack.
  • Another participant questions why airfoils are thicker in the middle section, prompting responses about the variation in thickness location between laminar and conventional airfoils.
  • It is suggested that the design of airfoil thickness is aimed at reducing drag while maximizing lift, with teardrop shapes being noted for their low drag characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between camber and thickness, but there are varying views on the implications of thickness distribution and its aerodynamic effects, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about airfoil design principles and the specific definitions of camber and thickness may not be fully explored or agreed upon, leaving room for further clarification.

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Hello everyone!

I wanted to ask if the wing thickness is the same meaning as camber?

Thanks in advance
 
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No, they are two different parameters. Camber describes the curvature of the airfoil. Thickness is exactly what it sounds like. Thus, you can have a thick, low camber airfoil (like this one: http://avstop.com/ac/basichelicopterhandbook/2.jpg ), a thin, low-camber airfoil (http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/a...b-3dhs_extra_shp_airfoil_01c.jpg?d=1224138433), a thick, high camber airfoil (http://ec.europa.eu/research/transport/images/projects/44_1.jpg ) or a thin, high camber airfoil (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=138520&d=1289149584).
 
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Fawzi Da said:
Hello everyone!

I wanted to ask if the wing thickness is the same meaning as camber?

Thanks in advance
The attached image shows a typical cambered airfoil:

airfoil-parts.jpg

Airfoil sections are typically defined with no camber, such that the ordinates of the section above and below the chord line are symmetrical. Such an airfoil typically requires a non-zero angle of attack (AOA) in order to generate lift. Transforming a symmetrical airfoil by applying a camber line typically produces a new airfoil shape which can generate lift at zero AOA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil

Different airfoil shapes and camber lines are cataloged by various organizations like NASA (successor to the NACA) and others.
 
Thank you all for replying. I appreciate it, I have another question for an assignment I'm working on but can find the search that I exactly need. My question is why is an airfoil thicker in the middle section?

Thank you again
 
Where the airfoil is thickest depends on the air foil. Laminar airfoils tend to have the thickest part further back than coventional airfoils. On conventional airfoils, the thickest part is neart the front (about 1/4th to 1/3rd wing chord behind trailing edge). On laminar airfoils, the thickest part is near the middle.
 
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The "why" though is essentially to reduce drag while maximizing lift. For a given cross sectional area, a teardrop shape is the lowest drag.
 

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