What is the formula for calculating the coefficient of lift for an airfoil?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the coefficient of lift (CL) for an airfoil, exploring the factors that influence it and the methods used to derive it. Participants inquire about the existence of a formula for CL and the elements involved in its calculation, including angle of attack (AOA), camber, and thickness.

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  • Tex questions whether there is a specific formula for CL beyond its relationship to lift, density, velocity, and surface area.
  • Some participants suggest that determining pressures on an airfoil can be done through methods such as wind tunnel testing, finite element analysis, or Joukowsky transformation.
  • It is noted that integrating the pressure coefficient across the airfoil surface is a common method to derive lift and drag, but calculating CL typically does not have a straightforward formula.
  • Tex expresses uncertainty about whether CL is solely determined through experimentation and if a formula exists that incorporates factors like camber ratios.
  • A participant references a book, "Theory of Wing Sections," suggesting it may contain relevant information on the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a specific formula for CL exists, with some suggesting that it is primarily determined through experimental methods while others imply that various theoretical approaches may exist.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of calculating CL and the reliance on experimental data, computational fluid dynamics (CFD), and theoretical models, indicating that no single formula is universally accepted.

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A C of L curve for a particular airfoil is calculated based on what?

I know AOA is a part of it but is there a formula for CL itself? For example...

CL= L / rho * 1/2 * V^2 * S

Which is fine.

but...

L = CL * rho * 1/2 * V^2 * S

gets a value for CL from somewhere, right?

I assume it’s calculated from some formula based on shape or camber and thickness and other factors and AOA.

if that’s true does anyone know the formula and the elements of the calculation?

for example the formula for lift includes the elements of density, velocity, and surface area and CL. What I’m looking for are the elements used in the calculation of CL itself. If that's possible.

thanks,
Tex
 
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There are a few ways to get the pressures on the different parts of an airfoil. You could mount a model in a wind tunnel; You could use a finite element method; or a Joukowsky transform to turn the airfoil into a cylinder with rotation of the flow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joukowsky_transform

Once the pressures on the surface are known they can be resolved into vertical and horizontal components and integrated over the profile, to give the lift and the drag.
 
Ultimately, the most common way would be integrating the pressure coefficient across the surface and then splitting the resultant into its vertical and horizontal components. Still, you need to calculate ##C_p## to do that, and in general there is no "formula" to calculate these sorts of things. You have to either perform CFD of some kind, use various "simpler" theories for approximate answers, or measure it experimentally. Also note, I used the word "simpler" instead of "simple" here. None of these things are simple enough to allow calculation from a formula.
 
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So is the only way CL is determined on a particular airfoil by experimentation? Then those numbers made into a graph?

Is there not a CL formula like the lift formula?
I was under the impression (I don’t remember where I got it) that there was a formula that involved camber ratios and other stuff.
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