Airframe dynamics of a model rocket roll control system?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical calculation of the dynamics of a model rocket's roll control system, specifically focusing on measuring the moment of inertia (MOI) of the rocket airframe and determining the torque applied at various airspeeds and fin angles. Participants explore methods for measuring these parameters without the use of a wind tunnel.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests measuring the moment of inertia by mounting the rocket on a rod and using angular acceleration and torque measurements, potentially involving a gyro or accelerometer.
  • Another participant proposes using a simple pendulum method to find the MOI, noting that the period of the pendulum is related to the MOI about the axis of rotation, but expresses concerns about friction affecting the results.
  • A later reply clarifies the relationship between the pendulum's period and the MOI, emphasizing the need to measure the MOI about the rocket's roll axis specifically.
  • Another method is proposed involving mounting the rocket horizontally on a rotating spindle and using a pulley with a weight to apply a known torque, allowing for the measurement of acceleration and accounting for friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best method for measuring the moment of inertia, with multiple approaches being discussed and some participants expressing uncertainty about the effectiveness of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential friction in the pendulum method and the need for precise measurements in the proposed torque application method. The discussion does not resolve the challenges associated with these methods.

leright
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Hello,

I am hoping to build a model rocket with a roll control system for my senior project. Since the idea of building or obtaining a wind tunnel seems infeasible I will need to theoretically calculate how this rocket will behave with various canard fin angles and at various air speeds. I assume first I will need to measure the moment of inertia of the rocket airframe. Can someone give me an idea of how to do this? I assume somehow I would mount the rocket to some type of rod (which itself doesn't significantly affect the moment of inertia) and measure the angular acceleration as a function of torque, right? So I would need some type of gyro or accelerometer and a torque transdicer of some kind, right? Can someone help me out here?

Also, I would need to be able to determine how much torque is applied to the rocket airframe at different airspeeds and different fin angles. Can someone help me with this?
 
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You might want to see if you can find the MOI by using a simple pendulum. The period is related to the MOI about the axis of rotation. Just a simple first though. I tried it once but you need very very low friction. Id probably not try it though.
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
You might want to see if you can find the MOI by using a simple pendulum. The period is related to the MOI about the axis of rotation. Just a simple first though. I tried it once but you need very very low friction. Id probably not try it though.

I don't quite follow you. Sure, with a bob swinging on a string, the period of the pendulum will depend on the MOI (which is a function of the weight of the bob and the length of the string.) However, I am trying to measure the moment of inertia of the rocket about its roll axis.
 
leright said:
I don't quite follow you. Sure, with a bob swinging on a string, the period of the pendulum will depend on the MOI (which is a function of the weight of the bob and the length of the string.) However, I am trying to measure the moment of inertia of the rocket about its roll axis.

The inertia for the pendulum is I + mr^2 where I is the MOI of the bob about its CG, m is the mass and r is the length of the string. If the pendulum has a small bob and a long string I is negligible compared with mr^2 but that isn't always the case.

To use this method to find I, you want to make r small. Putting the pivot of the pendulum directly on the outside of the case would be one way. Then I would be the same order of magnitude as mr^2.

Another way would be mount the rocket horizontally on a rotating spindle, and use a pulley and a weight on a string to accelerate it with a known torque. With a small weight, the acceleration will be small, so you can measure the time for the string to unwind a known length and calculate the acceleration. Do it with a few different size weights, and you should be able to allow for any friction in the pivot.
 

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