Airplane Traveling East against Wind

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The problem involves an airplane traveling east at a speed of 110 m/s relative to the air, with the air moving at 43 m/s relative to the ground at a 30° angle west of due north. The discussion focuses on determining the speed of the airplane with respect to the ground and its heading relative to the ground.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the speed of the plane with respect to the ground using vector components but expresses confusion about how to find the heading. Some participants suggest using vector addition and drawing a vector triangle to visualize the problem.

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Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth exchange, with some providing guidance on vector addition and clarification on the nature of velocities. The original poster is seeking further understanding of the concepts involved, particularly regarding the relative nature of velocities.

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There is a noted confusion about the definitions of vectors in this context, particularly regarding the ground and air velocities. The original poster is new to vector concepts and is grappling with the foundational aspects of the problem.

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Homework Statement


You are on an airplane traveling due east at 110 m/s with respect to the air. The air is moving with a speed 43 m/s with respect to the ground at an angle of 30° west of due north.

1)What is the speed of the plane with respect to the ground?
>>> I answered this question and got 95.26m/s by finding the x-component of the plane's velocity. Meaning 110 * cos(30) = 95.26m/s

2)What is the heading of the plane with respect to the ground? (Let 0° represent due north, 90° represents due east). _________° East of due North
>>> Here is where I am confused. I understand that involves finding the components of the wind itself meaning 43 * cos(30) and 43 * sin(30) but aside from that I don't really know what to do with that information at all.

Homework Equations


Unsure. This is trigonometry-related and aside from basic sine cosine stuff I really don't remember anything or know what is needed to find the angle of something like this.

The Attempt at a Solution


Mentioned above. Thanks much in advance!
 
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hi zjamal2! welcome to pf! :wink:
zjamal2 said:
1)What is the speed of the plane with respect to the ground?
>>> I answered this question and got 95.26m/s by finding the x-component of the plane's velocity. Meaning 110 * cos(30) = 95.26m/s

no :redface:

call the velcocity of the plane wrt the air VPA, and the velcocity of the air wrt the ground VAG

velocities are vectors, so they obey the laws of vector addition …

you want VPG, which is VPA + VAG

there are two ways to do this …

i] draw a vector triangle of the three velocities, with vertices labelled P A and G, and with arrows along each side pointing the correct way, and use the sine and cosine rules

ii] use x and y components (separately)

choose either way (or both), and show us what you get :smile:
 
Thanks for your reply,
I'm new to this concept of vectors but am trying to make the vector triangle.

I realize that vector P's direction is towards the East and has a magnitude of 110mph.
But then again you mentioned that G is a vector and that makes me wonder what it could be since the ground has no magnitude or direction. The Air vector would be aimed Northwest since the Wind is moving at an angle 30 degrees from due north with a magnitude of 43 mph.

Sorry but still struggling with these basics. Please help me make more sense out of this. Thanks
 
hi zjamal2! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
zjamal2 said:
But then again you mentioned that G is a vector

no, G is just a letter that stands for "ground"

GA (or VGA) is a vector

you're missing the point:

all velocities are relative​

when we add velocities, we add relative velocities​

there is no "Air vector" or "Air velocity", only "the velocity of the Air relative to the ground" or "the velocity of the Air relative to the plane" :wink:
 

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