Algebraic manipulation of sum of squares.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the algebraic manipulation of the equation relating the differential arc length \( ds \) to the differentials \( dx \) and \( dy \). Participants explore the transition from the equation \( (ds)^2 = (dx)^2 + (dy)^2 \) to \( ds = \sqrt{1 + \left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2} dx \), focusing on the steps involved in this manipulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to correctly manipulate the equation from the first to the second form, specifically regarding the placement of \( dx \) in relation to the square root.
  • Another participant suggests factoring out \( dx \) on the right side and taking the square root of both sides as a method to clarify the manipulation.
  • A different viewpoint proposes dividing both sides by \( dx^2 \) to facilitate the manipulation, indicating that this approach might lead to a clearer understanding.
  • One participant shares their final working, showing the step-by-step process that leads to the desired equation, indicating that they found the clarification helpful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps needed to manipulate the equation, but there are multiple approaches suggested, and the discussion remains somewhat exploratory without a single consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for a \( dx^2 \) in the denominator, which suggests that assumptions about the manipulation may depend on specific algebraic techniques that are not universally agreed upon.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand algebraic manipulations in calculus, particularly in the context of differential equations and arc length calculations.

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Hiya.

I got to an interesting bit in a calculus book, but as usual I'm stumped by a (probably simple) algebraic step.
The author goes from:
[tex](ds)^2=(dx)^2+(dy)^2[/tex]
to:
[tex]ds=\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2}dx[/tex]
I understand moving the square root across, but I don't understand how the right hand side in the first equation turns into what is under the square root in the second equation.

I hope someone can help. Cheers.
 
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tleave2000 said:
[tex]ds=\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2dx}[/tex]
... check that: does the dx at the end go inside or outside the square-root symbol?
 
Simon Bridge said:
... check that: does the dx at the end go inside or outside the square-root symbol?

Nice one! It should go outside, not inside. I'll correct it in the original post.

However at first glance the manipulation is still mysterious to me.
 
(1) Factor a "dx" out on the right side.

(2) Take the square root of both sides.
 
The clue is that you need a dx^2 in the denominator - so dividing by that is usually a good guess.

So: divide both sides by dx^2 (or just factor it out on the RHS as Ivy suggests.)
The rest should be clear.

Or you can try it backwards - start with the final result and try to get back to the start.
Hint: square both sides.
 
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Thank you both. I got it a little while after your post Simon, but my working was a mess and Ivy's post really clarified what it was that I had done. I latexed up the tidied version.

[tex](ds)^2=(dx)^2+(dy)^2[/tex]
[tex](ds)^2=(dx)^2+\frac{(dx)^2(dy)^2}{(dx)^2}[/tex]
[tex](ds)^2=(dx)^2(1+\frac{(dy)^2}{(dx)^2})[/tex]
[tex]ds=\sqrt{(dx)^2(1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2)}[/tex]
[tex]ds=\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2}dx[/tex]
 
Yeah - a step-by-step tidy's things up ;)
Well done.
 

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