Algebraic Number Theory Question

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The discussion revolves around a problem in Algebraic Number Theory, specifically addressing the conditions under which the product (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) is a perfect square. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that this product is a perfect square if and only if each of the individual terms (1 + xy), (1 + yz), and (1 + zx) are also perfect squares.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the original poster's substitution of variables s, t, and u for the terms involving xy, yz, and zx, and question the validity of the derived equation. There is an exploration of both the 'if' and 'only if' parts of the proof, with some participants seeking clarification on the definitions of the variables involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on potential approaches, such as multiplying out the left side of the equation and refactoring. There is an acknowledgment of uncertainty regarding the correctness of certain steps taken in the original poster's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

It is noted that x, y, and z are positive integers, which may influence the nature of the problem and the assumptions being made in the discussion.

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This is actually a Number Theory question, but requires expertise that doesn't go beyond simple algebra.

Homework Statement


Show that (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) is a perfect square iff (1 + xy), (1+yz) , and (1+zx) are perfect squares.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I initially tried to solve it like this

let 1 + xy = s2 , 1 + yz = t2, 1 + zx = u2. I substituted the new variables and got (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 - s2t2+t4-t2+s2

I tried to get the RHS of the equation to be in some square form, but couldn't. I thought that introducing new variables to the problem would add to the complexity of the problem, but I thought that adding new variables would give me a new way to solve the problem also.

So .. any thoughts?

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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What are x,y,z,s,t,u? Are you working on the 'if' part or the 'only if' part? (or have you not gotten that far yet?) Where did that equation come from?
 
forgot to mention x,y,z are positive integers,

I just defined s,t,u as the number whose square is xy + 1, yz +1, zx + 1 respectively
 
putongren said:
This is actually a Number Theory question, but requires expertise that doesn't go beyond simple algebra.




Homework Statement


Show that (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) is a perfect square iff (1 + xy), (1+yz) , and (1+zx) are perfect squares.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I initially tried to solve it like this

let 1 + xy = s2 , 1 + yz = t2, 1 + zx = u2. I substituted the new variables and got


(1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 - s2t2+t4-t2+s2
That last equation is obviously wrong.

(1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 , which is a perfect square.

That's the easier half of the proof.

Now show that if (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = w2, then each of (1+xy), (1+zy), and (1+zx) are perfect squares.
 
SammyS said:
That last equation is obviously wrong.

(1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 , which is a perfect square.

That's the easier half of the proof.

Now show that if (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = w2, then each of (1+xy), (1+zy), and (1+zx) are perfect squares.


Yeah, I suspect it was wrong, but I still have no idea how to show that (1 + xy)(1 + zy)(1 +wz) = w2.
 
putongren said:
Yeah, I suspect it was wrong, but I still have no idea how to show that (1 + xy)(1 + zy)(1 +xz) = w2.
Did you try multiplying the left side out? -- Then try refactoring it.
 
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