Am I a Sinner in God's Eyes Despite My Good Deeds?

[Dayle Record]

In the story Eve says, "Heeeyahhh how do you like these apples, baby?" She apparently likes apples a lot more than she fears the wrath of her creator. That is a problem with the creators design. If the creator wanted a super obedient, good sized primate, he should have lessened her cranial capacity, and done away with the apples entirely. I see this as a flaw in the original format. But the nomenclature was unclear and that became instead of original format, original sin. Eve's sin, was to be as designed. Disobedience to her design is also disobedience to her designer. The whole thing from the opening story to the preposterous, logical leaps, is flawed in the most ungodly manner.

The concept of original sin, or even sin, is pure manipulation. For instance, I am sinning as I sit here to reply. I am sinfully educated by some measures, I sin when I venture an opinion. I sin because I am unmarried, but of age to be serving a man. I sin because I think of other things besides scripture, of any kind. I sinned today, because I left my house with my head uncovered. I sinned because I drove a car, because I bought a burrito filled with cooked pork, and ate it. If I counted up all the things I am not allowed to do, because it constitutes a sin in some earthly religion, I would not be able to move about my house. I wouldn't have a house, because it is a sin for me to own property, to be out from under the control of my father. To take pleasure in the beauty of this day, is intemperate.

The concept of sin, is the most annoying projection of God's nature, ever. The concept of sin, it the remnant of abuse that we have endured as humans for as long as we have been human. The idea that we just can't be, without continuous concern regarding the horrific that awaits us in eternity. Hey, I adore eternity, all of it, it is great here, there and everywhere. Don't let yourself be robbed of it, by weird, petty projections.

 

[Dayle Record]

More opinionated spew from me.

I have erred, I must mend my ways of posting.

 

[olde drunk]

I have erred, I must mend my ways of posting.

gee, just when i thought i made a good case of showing ProtractedSilence that there were no sins, you come along and confess.

shame on you!

oh, before i leave, i grant you total absolution (provided you put $20.00 in the collection plate).

now next week, if you continue in your womanly ways, you will be given a penance and you will need to increase you contribution. afterall, the more guilt you have the more we make.

peace,

 

[ProtractedSilence]

I think you guys have missed the point, although I think your dialogue quite amusing.

Dayle - God didn't want obedience. Dogs give obedience. God wanted a voluntary relationship, a relationship that requires choices to interact. Adam's sin (every place in the Bible that talks about original sin blames it on Adam, both because he was the leader of their relationship, and had been told directly by God what not to do) was to stop trusting that what God had said was good, and choosing to define good as something else.

You have also missed out on understanding how Christ's death affects the way we relate to God. He fulfilled a law that we could not (head coverings, eating habits, ceremonies, moral qualifications, etc.) so that our sin was paid for and we could have a personal relationship with God.

Paul describes this in his letter to Galatia:

Galatians 3:23-25 "But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."

And also in his letter to Ephesus:

Ephesians 2:8,9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

And here is commentary about how we are freed from sin through accepting the death of Christ as payment for our own sin.

Romans 6:10-14 “For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.”

Following Christ is not about dos and don’ts, it is a relationship.

Colossians 2:20-23 “If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 "Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!" 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)--in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.”

 

[olde drunk]

ProtractedSilence: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh; i got her puttin money in the collection. she feels guilty, let's play it for all it's worth.

we can sell plenary indulgences for hundreds. gulit is a go motivator for raising money.

peace,

 

[ProtractedSilence]

You don't have to pay for forgiveness or freedom from sin, you just ask for it. Be careful not to confuse church history with what God says.

 

[olde drunk]

i refuse to ask for forgiveness! (STAMPING FEET! here)

i don't wanna!

why give me the opportunity to be me and then punish me when i screw up. this is too illogical.

peace & love,

 

[ProtractedSilence]

you still get to be you. The issue is the justice of God. There are things that are right (things that help other people) and things that are wrong (things that hurt other people). For God to be just, he must punish the wrong, otherwise it is equally okay to adopt and care for orphans as it is to murder your family.