Am i doing this question correctly.

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the expression involving the greatest integer function and a logarithmic term, specifically from the limits -0.5 to 0.5. Participants are examining the implications of the greatest integer function and its properties in the context of the integral.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the greatest integer function, with some expressing confusion over its definition. There are attempts to apply properties of integrals and logarithmic functions, with questions about the validity of certain transformations and assumptions made during the solution process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified misunderstandings regarding the greatest integer function, leading to corrections in the approach. There is ongoing exploration of the integral's evaluation, with no consensus reached yet on the correct method or final answer.

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There is mention of potential confusion between the greatest integer function and the fractional part function, which has impacted the problem-solving approach. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of using different properties of the functions involved.

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Homework Statement



The integral of [x]+ln( (1+x)/(1-x) ) (lower limit -0.5 and upper limit is 0.5.)
here [x] show greater integer function means greatest integer less than equal to x. ex [2.3]=0.3,[1.7]=0.7,[-1.4]=0.6 etc.
//sorry that i don't know how to write it in better way

Homework Equations



millions so i can't write all of them here two of them is
integral of f(x) from a to b =integral of f(a+b-x) from a to b.
[1-x]=1-[x]
rest are in your mind.

The Attempt at a Solution



replace x by lower limit+ upper limit-x.
function will changed into [1-x]+ln( (1-x)/(1+x) )
replace [1-x] with 1-[x]. after little modification it will something like this I=integral with limits(1) -I
here I is the integral whose value i want to know.
finally the answer is 1/2 but this is wrong. correct answer as given in book is -1/2. My question is why my answer is wrong?
thanks for any kind of help.

vikash chandola
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You have the greatest integer function wrong. example: [2.3]=2
As for the rest of the problem, I'm not sure how to do it.
 
[itex]\displaystyle \int_{-0.5}^{0.5}\lfloor x \rfloor dx[/itex] should be a piece of cake.
For -1 ≤ x < 0 , [itex]\displaystyle \lfloor x \rfloor = -1[/itex].

For 0 ≤ x < 1 , [itex]\displaystyle \lfloor x \rfloor = 0[/itex].​

For [itex]\displaystyle \ln\left(\frac{1+x}{1-x}\right)\,,[/itex] use the rule for the log of a quotient. Then break-up the integral accordingly.

Do you know the anti-derivative of ln(x) ?
 
ArcanaNoir said:
You have the greatest integer function wrong. example: [2.3]=2
As for the rest of the problem, I'm not sure how to do it.

Oh man. what a foolish work i did. I understand greater integer function as fraction part function. I also applly wrong property that's why i got wrong answer.After thanks you tel me my mistake.Hey sammy what are you writing. this is seeming lengthy method. see how i solve it. thing i do wrong is understand greatest integer function as fraction part function. So the property [-x]=1-[x] is wrong. Correct one is [-x]=-1-[x]. now i will get correct answer.

anti derivative of ln(x) is xln(x)-x+C
 
The problem has [x]. Why are you working with [-x] ?
 
SammyS said:
The problem has [x]. Why are you working with [-x] ?

oh one more sorry. Actually the place where i write [1-x] that is [-x] =-1-[x].
I do this mistake however my trick is correct. thanks for showing me my mistake. If you still say how yo write [-x] then something is wrong. either i am doing one more mistake or you do something wrong.
 

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