Amplitude of harmonic oscillation given position and velocity

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The discussion revolves around finding the amplitude of harmonic oscillation given the position and velocity of an oscillating object. The subject area includes concepts from oscillatory motion and trigonometric relationships in physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various mathematical expressions relating position and velocity to amplitude. Some question the derivation of the amplitude formula, while others suggest alternative methods to arrive at the same conclusion.

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Multiple approaches to the problem are being discussed, with some participants providing algebraic manipulations and others suggesting intuitive methods. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between different variables, such as amplitude and acceleration, and discuss the implications of using trigonometric identities in their reasoning. The context includes specific values for angular frequency and initial conditions.

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Homework Statement
A particle performs harmonic oscillations along the ##x##-axis about the equilibrium position ##x=0##. The oscillation frequency is ##\omega=4\text{s}^{-1}##.

At a certain moment of time the particle has a coordinate ##x_0=25\text{cm}## and its velocity is equal to ##v_{x0}=100\text{cm/s}##.

Find the coordinate ##x## and the velocity ##v_x## of the particle ##t=2.40\text{s}## after that moment.
Relevant Equations
##x(t)=a\cos{(\omega t-\phi)}##
##v(t)=-a\omega\sin{(\omega t-\phi)}##

##x(0)=a\cos{(-\phi)}=x_0##

##v(0)=-a\omega\sin{(-\phi)}=v_0##

##\implies \tan{(-\phi)}=-\frac{v_0}{\omega x_0}##

##\implies \phi=-\tan{\left (-\frac{v_0}{\omega x_0}\right )}##

The solution to this problem says that we can find ##a=\sqrt{x_0^2+(v_{x0}/\omega)^2}##

How do we find this expression?

For the given values of ##\omega, x_0##, and ##v_{x0}## we have ##\phi=-\frac{\pi}{4}## and so we can find that

##\phi=-\frac{\pi}{4}##

##x(0)=a\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}=x_0##

##a=\frac{2x_0}{\sqrt{2}}##
 
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The answer seems to be that we multiply the equation for ##x(0)## by ##\omega##, square it, add it to the square of the ##v(0)## equation, and solve for ##a##.

I wonder if there is a simpler way that comes about through intuition about the meaning of the equations. At least for me this was just an algebraic trick.
 
From your expression for ##x(0)##, $$a^2=\frac {x_0^2} {cos^2(-\phi)}$$
From trig, $$cos^2(\alpha)=\frac 1 {1+tan^2(\alpha)}$$
Then, algebra...
 
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zenterix said:
The solution to this problem says that we can find ##a=\sqrt{x_0^2+(v_{x0}/\omega)^2}##

How do we find this expression?
It’s conventional to use upper case ##A## for amplitude. (Lower case ##a## is acceleration.) So another way to get the above formula is:

##x(t) = A \cos(\omega t - \phi)##
##v(t) = -A\omega \sin(\omega t - \phi)##
Use ##\cos^2 + \sin^2 = 1## and this will give the formula relating ##A, \omega, x## and ##v##.

If you’re allowed to use it directly, there is a handy 'standard' SHM formula for velocity as a function of displacement: ##v = \pm \omega \sqrt{A^2 -x^2}##. This can easily be rearranged to give the formula for ##A##.
 
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If I was looking at this problem for the first time, I would do this.

Take ##t = 0## when the object is at the origin. Then, the equation of motion is:
$$x = A\sin(\omega t)$$That must be easier than messing about with a phase factor. Then, of course:$$v = \omega A\cos(\omega t)$$You are given ##\omega## and ##x_0, v_0## at some unknown time ##t_0##. That's two equations in two unknowns. Solve for ##t_0## and ##A##, then plug in ##t_0 + 2.4s##.

Even if that's not the neatest or quickest way, it's the sort of thing you should be able to do by now.

PS as a byproduct, you get the expression for ##A## when you eliminate ##t_0##.
 
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