Analysis Of Truss, Method Of Joints.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a truss structure using the method of joints, focusing on calculating the forces in each member. Participants are engaged in a homework problem that involves determining reaction forces and member forces, as well as clarifying concepts related to tension and compression in truss members.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a truss diagram and initial calculations for reaction forces, expressing uncertainty about subsequent steps in calculating member forces.
  • Another participant suggests starting with joints that have only two members to simplify the analysis, emphasizing the importance of identifying member forces as either tension or compression based on their direction.
  • There is a discussion about the sign convention for forces, with some participants questioning whether compression forces should be considered negative and how to determine the signs of the forces in their calculations.
  • Several participants share their calculated forces for various members, expressing uncertainty about whether these values should be positive or negative based on their understanding of tension and compression.
  • A later reply clarifies that a compression force is typically considered negative, while a tension force is positive, but stresses the importance of careful consideration of force directions based on equilibrium conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of analyzing the truss using the method of joints, but there is significant disagreement and uncertainty regarding the sign conventions for forces and the identification of tension versus compression in specific members.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific members as zero force members, but there is no consensus on how to apply this information to their calculations. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of force direction and equilibrium conditions.

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Homework Statement


Hi so I have the following truss:
http://screencast.com/t/BIdagRt5abg
and I need to calculate the forces in every member by method of joints

The Attempt at a Solution



So I got the Reaction forces:
F(BG) = 25N and F(AC) = 35N

Now I'm not exactually sure what to do next, I know you calculate the x and y forces at each joint, I started at C
and then I got F(y) = 0 =35N + F(CJ) sin(45)
F(CJ) = -49.497

Im fairly sure that that is right
but when I get to the horizontal my equation is like this 0=F(CJ) * Cos(45)
which doesn't seem right since it means F(CJ) is zero
can someone please help me along thx.
 
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the equation should be 0=F(CJ) * Cos(45) + F(CD) right?

how do you tell if it is + or - ??
like is it what I wrote above or 0=F(CJ) * Cos(45) - F(CD)??
 
After calculating reactions, you should start with the easiest joint first, a joint with only 2 members framing into it, like Joint H. This will assure you that when you get to joint C, there is no force in member CH. When you isolate joint C, look at the direction of the member forces required for equilibrium in the x and y directions. If a member force points in toward a joint, it is a compression member., and if it points away from the joint, it is a tension member. Don't forget this when you move to your next joint.

Th magnitude of your forces are thus far correct.
 
if it is in compression does that mean its negative? or is it the other way around?

also we were told that CH, HJ, EK, GM and LM are zero force members
 
i've calculated F(CD) to be 35 and F(DJ) = 65 F(JK) =35 and F(DK) = 91.924

i have no idea if they are negative or what
 
i've decided to just write expressions for each of the members can you please tell me which ones I need to change to negative.

BG =25
AC = 35
CJ = -49.497
CD = 35
DJ = 65
JK = 35
DK = -91.924
DE = -(35 + -91.924* sin(45))
0 = DK sin(45) + KF sin (45) - 20
0 = JK + KL + DK sin(45) + KF sin(45)
EF = -DE
0 = GL sin(45) + BG
FG = -LG sin(45)
FL = -LG sin (45) + 10
KL = -LG sin(45)
FL = -KFsin(45)

thank you
 
slain4ever said:
if it is in compression does that mean its negative? or is it the other way around?

also we were told that CH, HJ, EK, GM and LM are zero force members
By convention, a compression force in a member is considered a negative force, and a tension force in a member is considered a positive force. But the direction of the x and y components of these forces are determined from Newton 1, and you have to be careful about signage. This then determines whether a member is in compression or tension. If the member force (resultant of x and y components of force in that member) points toward the joint, it's a compression member...if it pulls away from the joint, it is a tension member.

slain4ever said:
i've calculated F(CD) to be 35 and F(DJ) = 65 F(JK) =35 and F(DK) = 91.924

i have no idea if they are negative or what
If you get one wrong then the others most all become wrong. Please look at Joint C first. There is a support force of 35 N acting up, and there are unknown forces CD and CJ acting along the member's long axis in an unknown direction. First realize that truss members are 2 force members...they can only take axial loads in compression or tension.

Since there is 35 N up from the support, and since no part of the vertical force can be carried by CD, then the vert comp in CJ must be 35 N down, per Newton 1. That means the horizontal comp in CJ must be 35 N to the right. The resultant force is sq rt sum of squares = 49.5 N, pulling away from the member. So CJ is in tension , call it a plus. And since since for equilibrium the force in CD must be 35 N acting left, that is a force pushing toward the joint C, so that is a compression force in CD, call it a minus.

Now move on to the other joints, tackling the joints with the least amount of unknowns first. Don't forget Newtons 3rd Law!
 

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