Analysis Riemann Integral problem

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The problem involves the Riemann-Stieltjes integral, focusing on a function f defined on the interval [a,b] that is continuous at a point x_0 and takes the value 1 at x_0 while being 0 elsewhere. The task is to prove that f is Riemann integrable and that its integral with respect to another function α is zero.

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  • Participants discuss various proofs and methods to demonstrate the integrability of f and the value of the integral. Some explore the implications of continuity and boundedness of f, while others question the definitions and assumptions related to the functions involved.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants suggesting specific partitions and upper sums to analyze the integral. Others are questioning the clarity of the problem statement and the definitions of the functions involved, indicating a need for further clarification.

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Some participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement regarding the functions f and α, as well as the nature of the integral being discussed. There is also mention of the continuity of α at x_0 and its implications for the integrability of f.

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Homework Statement



Suppose α(x) increases on [a,b] a≤ x_0 ≤b, α is continuous at x_0,
f(x_0) =1 , at all other x in [a,b] f(x)=0.
denote ('x knot' as x_0)


Prove that f is Riemann Integrable and that ∫fdα=0.



Homework Equations


Can anyone check my proof or suggest a good method to show that inf U(P,f,α)= 0?
I have proved that the lower limit is equal to zero. Now I just need to prove that the upper limit is equal to zero or that f is Riemann Integrable.



The Attempt at a Solution



Here's my attempt at proving that : U(P,f,α)= 0:

α continuous at x_0 ⇒ for each ε>0 there exists a δ>0 s.t for q in [a,b] if
⎮α(x_0)-α(q)⎮<ε then ⎮x_0 - q⎮<δ
Pick elements p<x_0<q in the neighborhood of radius δ about x_0 we can then choose a partition such that
Δα_i=(α(q)-α(p))/n
this is true for any segment (x_i-1,x_i) s.t ⎮x_i -x_0⎮<δ
Now choose a partition P of [a,b] with the above partition in the neighborhood of x_0 and arbitrarily let a=x_1 and b=b_2.
The definition of f(x) implies that the only segment of the partition P where Σsupf(x) is not equal to zero is a segment in the neighborhood of radius δ about x_0.
There supf(x)=1
so Σsupf(x)Δα_i = (α(q) -α(p))/n
This being true for all n in N we can take n very large to get zero.

Does this work?
If not can anyone give a hint?
Thank you
 
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Actually I think I may have found a different proof:

From the definition of f it can be shown that f is continuous at every point in [a,b] except for x_0. Therefore f is discontinuous at only finitely many points in [a,b].
Again from the definition f is bounded.

alpha is given to be continuous at x_0.

Therefore by (theorem 6.10 in Rudin) f is Riemann integrable at alpha. (1)
The lower Riemann integral of f is equal to zero (easily proved). (2)
Therefore by (1) and (2) the total Riemann integral of f in [a,b] is equal to zero.
 
fraggle said:
Actually I think I may have found a different proof:

From the definition of f it can be shown that f is continuous at every point in [a,b] except for x_0. Therefore f is discontinuous at only finitely many points in [a,b].
Again from the definition f is bounded.
There is no "f" in the statement of your problem! Do you mean "a"?

alpha is given to be continuous at x_0.
There is no "alpha" in the statement of your problem!

Therefore by (theorem 6.10 in Rudin) f is Riemann integrable at alpha. (1)
What does "at alpha" mean? Is alpha a function or a point?

The lower Riemann integral of f is equal to zero (easily proved). (2)
Therefore by (1) and (2) the total Riemann integral of f in [a,b] is equal to zero.
 
HallsofIvy said:
There is no "f" in the statement of your problem! Do you mean "a"?


There is no "alpha" in the statement of your problem!


What does "at alpha" mean? Is alpha a function or a point?


The f is the f(x) defined in the statement. Sorry if that was not clear.

I used the greek letter alpha "α" in the statement of the problem. I see that the font is kind of ambiguous.

Both f and alpha "α" are functions defined on [a,b].
 
I would probably just use a five point partition P_n consisting only of a, r_n, x_0, s_n, and b, where r_n=x_0 - 1/n, and s_n=x_0 + 1/n. Then write out the upper sum U(P_n,f,alpha). Then let n approach infinity.
 
Billy Bob said:
I would probably just use a five point partition P_n consisting only of a, r_n, x_0, s_n, and b, where r_n=x_0 - 1/n, and s_n=x_0 + 1/n. Then write out the upper sum U(P_n,f,alpha). Then let n approach infinity.

But in the intervals [a,r_n] and [s_n,b] as n approaches infinity r_n and s_n approach x_0. Then we could take f(x_0) as supf(x) in those intervals, that is if n goes to infinity.
So wouldn't the sum be equal to 2?

If that is not the case could you please explain?
thanks
 
fraggle said:
But in the intervals [a,r_n] and [s_n,b] as n approaches infinity r_n and s_n approach x_0. Then we could take f(x_0) as supf(x) in those intervals, that is if n goes to infinity.
So wouldn't the sum be equal to 2?

If that is not the case could you please explain?
thanks

No, because on those two intervals f is identically zero.
 

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