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The discussion revolves around the analytical integration of the expression ∫r1-x*I0(alpha*r)dr, focusing on techniques such as integration by parts and series expansion. Participants explore the implications of the variable x and the properties of the modified Bessel function I0.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty with the integral, noting challenges in applying integration by parts and finding recursion due to the variable x.
  • Another participant questions the significance of the variable x in the context of the integral, suggesting it could be treated as a fixed parameter.
  • A participant clarifies that I0 refers to the modified Bessel function of the first kind and mentions the existence of a recursion formula for integer powers of r, which is not applicable here due to the variable x.
  • Further contributions discuss the potential to simplify the integral using the defining differential equation of the Bessel function, although uncertainty remains about the ability to manipulate the differential equation effectively.
  • One participant reflects on the complexity of the problem, indicating that the integration appears to lead towards an infinite series solution.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the integral. There are competing views on how to treat the variable x and the applicability of certain mathematical techniques.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the manipulation of the integral and the implications of treating x as a variable versus a fixed parameter. There are also references to specific steps in the integration process that remain unresolved.

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I am having some difficulty figuring out how to do this integral analytically.

∫r1-x*I0(alpha*r)dr

I have attempted to do integration by parts, but am unable to find any recursion. This would be easy if x was not variable. Also, I have attempted just expanding this term into a Taylor series, but this is not resulting in satisfying results. Any thoughts on how I might approach this one?

tried: u= I0(alpha*r) and dv=r1-x
also tried: dv=r*I0(alpha*r) and u= r-x
 
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What is I0? What difference does it make what x is if the integral is a dr integral?
 
Thanks for the response. I0 is the modified Bessel function of the 1st kind. If r was raised to an integer power, there is a well-known recursion formula. I cannot take advantage of that recursion, because there are only special instances where x will give me an integer value for the power of r.
 
Hmm..
Why is not "x" to be regarded as some fixed, arbitrary parameter??
Try to regard it as just that, and see if you, by means of integration by parts, can simplify your integral by the defining differential equation of the bessel function
 
sicjeff said:
Thanks for the response. I0 is the modified Bessel function of the 1st kind. If r was raised to an integer power, there is a well-known recursion formula. I cannot take advantage of that recursion, because there are only special instances where x will give me an integer value for the power of r.

If I had known what your problem really was I wouldn't have replied. Sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to delve into this one. Perhaps someone else will pick it up.

[Edit] After posting, I see Arildno already has. :smile:
 
arildno said:
Hmm..
Why is not "x" to be regarded as some fixed, arbitrary parameter??
Try to regard it as just that, and see if you, by means of integration by parts, can simplify your integral by the defining differential equation of the bessel function

I think maybe that is the problem. This is but one step in a Taylor Aris dispersion problem. I am unsure if I can even go back and change my differential equation into a more friendly form. Essentially, what I have presented here is a multiplication of two functions which each were obtained independently earlier in the analysis which I now need to integrate. Only one of these terms contained a Bessel function.

step 1:

u=r-x , du=-x*r-(x+1)dr, dv=r *I0(alpha*r) dr, v=r*I1(alpha*r)/alpha

r1-xI1(alpha*r)/alpha+x/alpha*int(r-xI1(alpha*r)dr)

step2:

u=r-x, du= -x*r-(x+1) dr, dv= I1(alpha*r)dr, v=I0(alpha*r)/alpha

r-xI0(alpha*r)/alpha+x/alpha*int(r-(x+1)I0(alpha*r)dr)

step3:
u=r-(x+2), du= -(x+2)r-(x+3)dr, dv=r*I0(alpha*r)dr, v=r*I1(alpha*r)


I'm not really getting anywhere here. This looks like an infinite series solution.
 

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