Analyzing Spacetime Diagrams: Finding Coordinates and Checking Invariance

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves analyzing spacetime diagrams for two rockets launched at different speeds and positions, with a focus on determining coordinates in different reference frames and checking the invariance of spacetime intervals. The subject area is special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the coordinates of events in both the S and S' frames, with one participant expressing confidence in their readings from the graph while another questions the validity of those readings based on the speed of the rockets. There is also a clarification on the direction of movement and the format of the coordinates provided.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and questioning assumptions about the drawn world lines and the interpretation of the coordinates. One participant acknowledges a mistake in their drawing of the rocket's path, indicating a potential shift in understanding.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of possible errors due to approximations made while reading the graph, and the need for clarity on the units used in the problem. The assumption that the speed of light is normalized to 1 is also noted.

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Homework Statement



Two rockets are sent off at t=0, one from x=0 and the other at x=4. The rocket leaving from x=0 is moving at .8c and the rocket leaving x=4 is moving at .2c. When the paths of the two rockets meet, they send a light signal to x=0. Read off the coordinates in the S frame and in the S' frame and check to see that the space and time differences between events 3 and 4 satisfy the invariant rule. Event 3 is the light signal being sent out and event 4 is the light signal arriving at x=0.

The S' frame is moving at .6c.

Homework Equations



x' = \gamma(x-vt)

t' = \gamma(t - vx/c^2)

invariant rule: (t4 - t3)^2 - (x4 - x3)^2 = (t'4 - t'3)^2 - (x'4 - x'3)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So after drawing all world lines, I came up with the coordinates (3.5, 2.75) for event 3 and (0, 6.3) for event 4 in the S frame by looking at the graph. I am confident in these coordinates.

In the S' frame, I came up with (2.8, 1.1) for event 3 and (-6, 9.8) for event 4 in the S' frame. This is where I think there may be a mistake. These are just based off reading the graph, so they are approximate.

Now when I check to see if it satisfies the invariant rule,

(6.3-2.75)^2 - (0-3.5)^2 = (9.8-1.1)^2 - (-6 - 2.8)^2

.3525 = -1.75

Clearly this is not correct. I understand there will be some error since I am just eyeballing the coordinates from the graph, but this seems way off. Does anybody see where I went wrong?
 
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What units are you using? In what direction do the spaceships move? Are the coordinates you're giving (x,t) or (t,x)?
 
Each of the spaceships are moving towards each other. So the ship that launches from x=0 is moving towards x=4 and vice versa. I am giving the coordinates as (x,t).
 
How can the spaceship travel from x=0 to x=3.5 when t goes from 0 to 2.75? Doesn't that mean the ship is moving faster than the speed of light? (I assume you're using units where c=1.)
 
Yes, you're right. I had drawn my line incorrectly. Instead of drawing it as .8c I drew it as 5/4 c. I've got it now. Thanks.
 

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