Angle Between Spins: Alpha & Beta | Why?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of spin states in quantum mechanics, specifically the transformation of spin states under rotation. Participants explore the implications of the angle between spin states and the relationship between spin-1/2 particles and their representation in different bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transformation of spin states using angles, questioning the rationale behind the use of ##\frac{\theta}{2}## in the rotation matrix.
  • Another participant explains that for each value of angular momentum, there are 2j+1 linearly independent states, and discusses the unitary transformation between different bases.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding whether the angle refers to a rotation in three-dimensional position space or between spin states in two-dimensional spin space.
  • A participant mentions that the appearance of the half angle in the rotation matrix is due to the mapping between SO(3) and SU(2).
  • One participant suggests using Pauli matrices and spherical coordinates to derive the rotated spin state from an initial up spin state.

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Participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of the angle in the context of the problem, leading to multiple competing views. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the question and the implications of the angle between spins.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the question posed, particularly regarding the dimensionality of the space being referenced (3D position space vs. 2D spin space) and the assumptions underlying the transformation of spin states.

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If ##|\alpha>## is spin up, and ##|\beta>## is spin down. Then if angle between those spins and some other up and down spin is ##\theta##, then
[tex]|\alpha'>=\cos \frac{\theta}{2}|\alpha>+\sin \frac{\theta}{2}|\beta>[/tex]
[tex]|\beta'>=\sin \frac{\theta}{2}|\alpha>-\cos \frac{\theta}{2}|\beta>[/tex]
Why?
 
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For each value j of angular momentum there are 2j+1 linearly independent states. For example these can be taken as the states with spin projection mz = -j,... +j along the z axis. They form a basis in a 2j+1-dimensional space. We can just as well take for a basis the states with projection ma along any other axis a, and the transformation from one basis to another is a unitary transformation,

|ma> = Σ|mz><mz|D(j)(α,β,γ)|ma>

where D(j)(α,β,γ) is a unitary operator whose matrix elements <mz|D(j)(α,β,γ)|ma> are called the rotation matrix. An arbitrary rotation in three dimensions requires three Euler angles α,β,γ to describe.

For spin 1/2 the space is two-dimensional, just spin up and spin down. The simplest rotation from the z axis to some other axis a is through an angle θ directly down a line of longitude, and the rotation matrix is (almost!) what you have written,

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}cos θ/2&sin θ/2\\-sin θ/2&cos θ/2\end{array}\right)[/tex]
 
Nvm, I had misunderstood the question.
 
But why you get ##\frac{\theta}{2}## in matrix if you rotate for angle ##\theta##?
 
Bill_K said:
For spin 1/2 the space is two-dimensional, just spin up and spin down. The simplest rotation from the z axis to some other axis a is through an angle θ directly down a line of longitude, and the rotation matrix is (almost!) what you have written,

Wait, the state-space is 2-dimensional, but isn't this problem making reference to a rotation in the real space where this spin-1/2 particle is? I mean, there's a z-axis.
 
simple question: are we talking about the angle between the two axes in 3-dim. position space or about the angles between two spin states in 2-dim spin. space?
 
tom.stoer said:
simple question: are we talking about the angle between the two axes in 3-dim. position space or about the angles between two spin states in 2-dim spin. space?

Yes, that's what I meant. It's not really that clear from the question.
 
simple question: are we talking about the angle between the two axes in 3-dim. position space or about the angles between two spin states in 2-dim spin. space?
Tom, All I have tried to do is give a simple answer to a simple question. Please let's not throw confusion at it. Especially since you know how a spinor transforms inside out, forwards and backwards. The appearance of the half angle in the rotation matrix is a result of the mapping between SO(3) and SU(2).
 
I think it has to do with a direct spin character i.e. it is true for spin 1/2 something like
exp(imθ) .
 
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Ok if I don't know that. I have some up spin. How to get up spin which is rotate for angle ##\theta## from that spin. Can I use Pauli matrices and spherical coordinates and get that result?
 

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