Angle between two tangent lines

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The discussion revolves around finding the angle between two tangent lines derived from the equations of curves, specifically focusing on the differentiation of a modulus function and the implications for calculating angles between tangents.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of the modulus function and its implications for finding gradients. Questions arise about the nature of derivatives at points of non-differentiability, such as cusps. There is also inquiry into the relationship between derivatives and angles formed with the horizontal.

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Participants are actively discussing the differentiation process and its application to finding angles. Some guidance on the relationship between derivatives and angles has been provided, though there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used for the angle calculation.

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There is mention of specific intervals for the modulus function and the behavior of derivatives at critical points, which may influence the approach to the problem. The discussion also touches on the educational level of the concepts being discussed, indicating a potential gap in understanding for some participants.

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http://www.xtremepapers.com/Edexcel/Advanced%20Level/Mathematics/Subject%20Sorted/C3/Elmwood%20Papers/Elmwood%20B.pdf

Question 8(b)

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Ok so I found both values of dy/dx for BOTH EQUATIONS

y = x2 - 4x → 2x - 4
y = |4x - x2| → |4 - 2x| could someone please claify this, I have never differentiated a modulus before

Thus the two gradients of the lines are 4 and -4 BUT HOW DO I GO ON TO FIND THE angle between the tangents??
 
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|4x- x^2|= |x(4- x)| and is equal to 4x- x^2 for x between 0 and 4 but equal to x^2- 4x for x< 0 or x> 4. That is, its derivative if 4- 2x for x between 0 and 4 and equal to 2x- 4 for x< 0 or x> 4. At x= 4, there is a "cusp" so technically, there is no derivative. Of course, you are interested in the curve between 0 and 4 so you really want \lim_{x\to 4^-} 4- 2x= -4 as you say.

To find the angle between the lines remember that the derivative is the tangent of the angle the curve makes with the horizontal. And that
tan(\theta- \phi)= \frac{tan(\theta)- tan(\phi)}{1+ tan(\theta)tan(\phi)}
 
HallsofIvy said:
To find the angle between the lines remember that the derivative is the tangent of the angle the curve makes with the horizontal

I never knew this
is this A-level maths or beyond?
could you please explain why this is true?
 
HallsofIvy said:
To find the angle between the lines remember that the derivative is the tangent of the angle the curve makes with the horizontal.
jsmith613 said:
I never knew this.
is this A-level maths or beyond?
could you please explain why this is true?
It's usually taught in Calculus when you first learn about derivatives representing the slope of the tangent line.

It's often taught in trigonometry that the slope of a line is equal to the tangent of the angle the line makes with the x-axis.
 
thanks for this :)
I will note this rule!
 

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