Angle of intersection between two parametric curves

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The discussion revolves around finding the intersection point and angle between two parametric curves defined by r1 and r2. The intersection occurs at the point (2,0,16) when t=2 and s=4. Tangent vectors were calculated, leading to an initial angle of 23°, which was later corrected to 29° after further attempts. Participants emphasized the importance of clarity in notation, particularly distinguishing between position vectors and their derivatives. The final consensus is that careful calculation and notation are crucial for solving such problems accurately.
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Homework Statement



This is a problem involving parametric equations.

r1= <t,2-t,12+t2>
r2= <6-s,s-4,s2>

At what point do the curves intersect?

Find the angle of intersection, to the nearest degree.

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the point of intersection, (2,0,16). This is when t=2 and s=4.

I found the tangent vectors.
d/dt(r1) = <1,-1,2t>
d/ds(r2) = <-1,1,2s>

I used r1\cdotr2 = |r1||r2|cos\theta, using the tangent vectors at t=2 and s=4, and solved for theta.. I came up with 23°, but the system tells me I'm wrong. What happened?

EDIT:: Okay... it seems like I was coming up with a different answer every time. Got it on my last try though. Gotta be more careful... for anyone wondering, the correct answer is 29°
 
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ElijahRockers said:

Homework Statement



This is a problem involving parametric equations.

r1= <t,2-t,12+t2>
r2= <6-s,s-4,s2>

At what point do the curves intersect?

Find the angle of intersection, to the nearest degree.

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the point of intersection, (2,0,16). This is when t=2 and s=4.

I found the tangent vectors.
d/dt(r1) = <1,-1,2t>
d/ds(r2) = <-1,1,2s>

I used r1\cdotr2 = |r1||r2|cos\theta, using the tangent vectors at t=2 and s=4, and solved for theta.. I came up with 23°, but the system tells me I'm wrong. What happened?

EDIT:: Okay... it seems like I was coming up with a different answer every time. Got it on my last try though. Gotta be more careful... for anyone wondering, the correct answer is 29°
Let's see, so that once and forever not everybody has to redo the exercise. Note that ##t=2## and ##s=4.##
\begin{align*}
\dot r_1 \cdot \dot r_2 &= (1,-1,4)\cdot (-1,1,8)=30=|(1,-1,4)|\cdot |(-1,1,8)|\cdot \cos\theta =\sqrt{18\cdot 66}\cos\theta \\
&=6\sqrt{33}\cos\theta \Longrightarrow \cos\theta =\dfrac{5}{\sqrt{33}} \approx 0.87\Longrightarrow \theta \approx 29.5
\end{align*}
 
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I found myself facing a mini confusion because the OP uses the same letters, ##r_1,r_2## for the position vectors of the curves and for the tangent(velocity) vectors of the curves. The ##r_1,r_2## we use for the dot product are the tangent vectors right?
 
Delta2 said:
I found myself facing a mini confusion because the OP uses the same letters, ##r_1,r_2## for the position vectors of the curves and for the tangent(velocity) vectors of the curves. The ##r_1,r_2## we use for the dot product are the tangent vectors right?
Right. I had forgotten the dot (corrected now). ##r_j(t) ## are the parameterized curves, like a walk along the time axis ##t##, and ##\dfrac{d}{dt} r_j = \dot r_j## are the tangent vectors, the velocity with which we walk, or tangentially fly from the road if suddenly friction stops working.

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ElijahRockers said:
I came up with 23°, but the system tells me I'm wrong. What happened?
A golden rule for such occasions and especially in exams: Writing is faster than thinking!

This sounds paradoxical, but it isn't. If you made a mistake, then it is faster to detect. If you made none, then you do not have to juggle numbers or even more important: units! in your mind. Write it down without thinking about it. How long does it take to write 100 characters without thinking about them?
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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