Angle of intersection between two parametric curves

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This discussion revolves around the intersection and angle of intersection between two parametric curves defined by the equations r1 and r2. Participants are exploring the calculations involved in finding the intersection point and the angle formed at that intersection.

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  • Participants discuss finding the point of intersection and the tangent vectors for the curves. There are attempts to calculate the angle of intersection using the dot product of the tangent vectors. Some participants express confusion regarding the notation used for the position and tangent vectors.

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The discussion includes various attempts to calculate the angle of intersection, with some participants noting discrepancies in their results. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to using the tangent vectors and the implications of notation. Guidance has been offered regarding the distinction between position vectors and tangent vectors.

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Homework Statement



This is a problem involving parametric equations.

r1= <t,2-t,12+t2>
r2= <6-s,s-4,s2>

At what point do the curves intersect?

Find the angle of intersection, to the nearest degree.

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the point of intersection, (2,0,16). This is when t=2 and s=4.

I found the tangent vectors.
d/dt(r1) = <1,-1,2t>
d/ds(r2) = <-1,1,2s>

I used r1\cdotr2 = |r1||r2|cos\theta, using the tangent vectors at t=2 and s=4, and solved for theta.. I came up with 23°, but the system tells me I'm wrong. What happened?

EDIT:: Okay... it seems like I was coming up with a different answer every time. Got it on my last try though. Gotta be more careful... for anyone wondering, the correct answer is 29°
 
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ElijahRockers said:

Homework Statement



This is a problem involving parametric equations.

r1= <t,2-t,12+t2>
r2= <6-s,s-4,s2>

At what point do the curves intersect?

Find the angle of intersection, to the nearest degree.

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the point of intersection, (2,0,16). This is when t=2 and s=4.

I found the tangent vectors.
d/dt(r1) = <1,-1,2t>
d/ds(r2) = <-1,1,2s>

I used r1\cdotr2 = |r1||r2|cos\theta, using the tangent vectors at t=2 and s=4, and solved for theta.. I came up with 23°, but the system tells me I'm wrong. What happened?

EDIT:: Okay... it seems like I was coming up with a different answer every time. Got it on my last try though. Gotta be more careful... for anyone wondering, the correct answer is 29°
Let's see, so that once and forever not everybody has to redo the exercise. Note that ##t=2## and ##s=4.##
\begin{align*}
\dot r_1 \cdot \dot r_2 &= (1,-1,4)\cdot (-1,1,8)=30=|(1,-1,4)|\cdot |(-1,1,8)|\cdot \cos\theta =\sqrt{18\cdot 66}\cos\theta \\
&=6\sqrt{33}\cos\theta \Longrightarrow \cos\theta =\dfrac{5}{\sqrt{33}} \approx 0.87\Longrightarrow \theta \approx 29.5
\end{align*}
 
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I found myself facing a mini confusion because the OP uses the same letters, ##r_1,r_2## for the position vectors of the curves and for the tangent(velocity) vectors of the curves. The ##r_1,r_2## we use for the dot product are the tangent vectors right?
 
Delta2 said:
I found myself facing a mini confusion because the OP uses the same letters, ##r_1,r_2## for the position vectors of the curves and for the tangent(velocity) vectors of the curves. The ##r_1,r_2## we use for the dot product are the tangent vectors right?
Right. I had forgotten the dot (corrected now). ##r_j(t) ## are the parameterized curves, like a walk along the time axis ##t##, and ##\dfrac{d}{dt} r_j = \dot r_j## are the tangent vectors, the velocity with which we walk, or tangentially fly from the road if suddenly friction stops working.

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ElijahRockers said:
I came up with 23°, but the system tells me I'm wrong. What happened?
A golden rule for such occasions and especially in exams: Writing is faster than thinking!

This sounds paradoxical, but it isn't. If you made a mistake, then it is faster to detect. If you made none, then you do not have to juggle numbers or even more important: units! in your mind. Write it down without thinking about it. How long does it take to write 100 characters without thinking about them?
 

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