Angular Momenta and Actions of Orbits

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the angular momentum of a planet orbiting a massive star and the action of its orbit, specifically examining whether the action depends on the eccentricity of the orbit. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to orbital mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definition of the term "action" in the context of orbital mechanics, suggesting it relates to the integral of momentum with respect to displacement over one complete orbit.
  • One participant argues that if the angular momentum is fixed, the action integral will have a stationary value for a specific path, implying that different eccentricities will yield different stationary action values.
  • Another participant notes that various eccentricities can exist for the same angular momentum, indicating a potential complexity in the relationship between angular momentum and action.
  • There is a reference to Kepler's laws, suggesting that the value of angular momentum determines the trajectory of the body and thus its eccentricity.
  • One participant mentions that different geodesics can exist for different initial conditions, paralleling the concept of varying paths for bodies projected in a gravitational field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between angular momentum, eccentricity, and action, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the matter.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of action and angular momentum, as well as the implications of Kepler's laws, which may not be universally agreed upon or fully explored.

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Consider a tiny planet orbiting a massive star.

If the value of the planet's angular momentum (w.r.t. to star) is fixed, does the action of the planet's orbit depend on the eccentricity of the orbit?
 
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tade said:
Consider a tiny planet orbiting a massive star.

If the value of the planet's angular momentum (w.r.t. to star) is fixed, does the action of the planet's orbit depend on the eccentricity of the orbit?
pl.explain the term action of ...
 
drvrm said:
pl.explain the term action of ...
the integral of momentum w.r.t. displacement for one loop of the orbit
 
tade said:
If the value of the planet's angular momentum (w.r.t. to star) is fixed, does the action of the planet's orbit depend on the eccentricity of the orbit?

the value of angular momentum defines the trajectory of the body as per Keplar's laws and thus has a defined eccentricity -so the action integral will have a stationary value for actual/ particular path . For different eccentricities the paths will be different and the action should have another stationary value,
for example;

The path in space of a body in a gravitational field can be found using the action principle. for a free falling body, this trajectory is a geodesic.
but different geodesics can exist for different initial conditions.
similarly if a body is projected in space with certain energy and falls in the field of another body it can move on a variety of paths but the actual path will have a stationary action.
 
Let's keep it to classical inverse square law.

Because we can have different eccentricities for the same value of angular momentum.
 

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