Angular momentum, block plus bullet

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular momentum of a bullet-block system after a bullet embeds itself in a block on a frictionless surface. The initial angular momentum is calculated as mvl, while the final angular momentum is (m+M)vfl. Participants clarify that angular momentum is conserved during the collision, leading to the conclusion that the final angular momentum equals the initial angular momentum, simplifying the problem. The consensus is that the answer is simply mvl, as the system's total angular momentum remains unchanged. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding conservation principles in physics.
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Homework Statement


A wooden block of mass M resting on a frictionless, horizontal surface is attached to a rigid rod of length l and of negligible mass. The rod is pivoted at the other end. A bullet of mass m traveling parallel to the horizontal surface and perpendicular to the rod with speed v hits the block and becomes embedded in it.
a.) What is the angular momentum of the bullet-block system about a vertical axis through the pivot.

Homework Equations


L=r x p

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got L initial, which is mvl and L final which is (m+M)vfl. What I thought the angular momentum would be would be L final - L initial, but the answer is apparently mvl down, which is just the bullet. Where did I go wrong?
 
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timnswede said:
So I got L initial, which is mvl and L final which is (m+M)vfl. What I thought the angular momentum would be would be L final - L initial, but the answer is apparently mvl down, which is just the bullet. Where did I go wrong?
What question are you trying to answer? (You only listed part a.) Would you expect the angular momentum to change upon collision?
 
Doc Al said:
What question are you trying to answer? (You only listed part a.) Would you expect the angular momentum to change upon collision?
I only put part A since I understand part B.
Is it really that easy and I am just overcomplicating it? Since angular momentum is conserved, then L initial equals L final and that is why the answer is just mvl, since it is is the same as the final angular momentum?
 
timnswede said:
Is it really that easy and I am just overcomplicating it? Since angular momentum is conserved, then L initial equals L final and that is why the answer is just mvl, since it is is the same as the final angular momentum?
Yes, that's all there is to it. Note that the question (at least as you quoted it) does not specify before or after the collision. It doesn't matter: angular momentum is conserved.
 
Doc Al said:
Yes, that's all there is to it. Note that the question (at least as you quoted it) does not specify before or after the collision. It doesn't matter: angular momentum is conserved.
OK, thank you. That was actually a really easy question then.
 
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