Is the Angular Momentum of a Pendulum Conserved?

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The discussion centers on the conservation of angular momentum in a pendulum system. It concludes that the angular momentum of the pendulum is not conserved due to changes in speed as it swings. The direction of angular momentum is determined to be along the +z axis when the pendulum is at its mean position and can switch to the -z axis when swinging back. Torque is analyzed, revealing that tension provides zero torque while the weight of the ball contributes a torque dependent on the angle of swing. Overall, the solutions provided were confirmed to be correct, with a minor correction regarding the direction of angular momentum.
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Statement of the problem :
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A ball shown in the figure is allowed to swing in a vertical plane like a simple pendulum. Answer the following :

(a) Is the angular momentum of the ball conserved?

No, the angular momentum ##L = mvl##, where m is the mass of the ball and v is its speed at an instant. Note, this is an example of (non-uniform) circular motion whereby vector v ##\perp## radius vector r at all instants. Clearly, v changes, reaching its maximum value when ##\theta = 0## and hence the angular momentum L also changes, becoming maximum at the mean position.

(b) Calculate the direction of L at some time. Does it change?
No. The motion takes place in a plane. From the definition of L = r ##\times## p, using either the right hand cork screw rule or taking the convenient mean position of the pendulum to evaluate (r ##\rightarrow - \hat y##, p ##\rightarrow \hat x##, ##-\hat y \times \hat x = \hat z##), we find that the direction of L is along the +z axis, out of the page.

(c) What force acting on the pendulum gives a zero torque about an axis perpendicular to the motion plane and through the point of support?

Tension T. By the definition of torque, ##\tau = r \times F \Rightarrow \tau = l \hat l \times -T \hat l = 0##, where ##\hat l## is the unit vector along the rope out from the point of support.(d) Calculate the torque due to the weight of the ball about this axis at an angle ##\theta##.

From definition, ##\tau = r \times F##. At the angle ##\theta##, the only contributing force to the torque is the "vertical" component of weight, ##mg \sin \theta## (The tension and the "horizontal" component of weight ##mg \cos \theta## both lie along the rope). Hence the magnitude of torque ##\mathbb{\tau = mg \sin \theta l}##. (e) Calculate the magnitude of the rate of change of angular momentum of the pendulum bob at ##\theta##.

If ##L = mvl## [see (a)], then ##\frac {dL} {dt} = m \frac {dv} {dt} l = m g \sin \theta l = mgl \sin \theta##, as the rate of change of v, ##\frac {dv}{dt} = g \sin \theta##, in a direction perpendicular to the rope and along the motion of the bob.



Thank you for you interest.
 

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I do not see a question here.

I would quibble a bit with your response to b. Is the angular momentum always going to be out of the page? Can it ever be into the page instead?
 
The questions are listed from (a) - (e) above, in italics. You will see my responses in normal font.

Hmm, no the angular momentum will be "into" the page when the pendulum swings back from the right extreme position. When it reaches the mean position, we get for the direction of L (r ##\times## p) = ##-\hat y \times -\hat x = -\hat z##, into the page in the direction of the -z axis.

Thank you for the correction.
 
brotherbobby said:
The questions are listed from (a) - (e) above, in italics.
jbriggs meant, what question are you asking the forum? Presumably it was "is this right?"
 
haruspex said:
jbriggs meant, what question are you asking the forum? Presumably it was "is this right?"

Yes, I'd be glad if you could let me know if my solutions were correct. I have figured out that (b) above was not.

Thank you for your interest.
 
brotherbobby said:
Yes, I'd be glad if you could let me know if my solutions were correct. I have figured out that (b) above was not.

Thank you for your interest.
After your correction to that, all looks good.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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