Angular Momentum of an asteroid

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The discussion revolves around the application of angular momentum in a problem involving an asteroid colliding with the Earth. The scenario describes an asteroid with a specified mass and speed impacting the Earth tangentially at the equator, prompting participants to explore the implications for the Earth's angular speed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the concept of fractional change in angular momentum and its relevance to the problem. There are attempts to set up conservation equations for momentum and energy, with questions about the necessary parameters such as the asteroid's radius and its effect on the Earth's angular momentum. Some participants explore the definitions and forms of angular momentum, while others express confusion about the implications of the collision.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing various interpretations and approaches to the problem. Some have provided insights into the conservation of momentum and the treatment of the asteroid's angular momentum, while others are seeking clarification on specific concepts and calculations. There is no clear consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants are navigating constraints such as the lack of information regarding the asteroid's radius and the implications of treating the asteroid as a point mass. The discussion reflects a mix of high school and introductory college-level physics concepts, which may influence the understanding of angular momentum in this context.

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I understand the concept of angular momenum, but I do not understand how to use it in this problem:
An asteroid of mass 1.0 * 10^5 kg, traveling at a speed of 30 km/s relative to the Earth, hits the Earth at the equator. It hits the Earth tangentially and in the direction of Earth's rotation. Use angular momentum to estimate the fractional change in the angular speed of the Earth as a result of the collision?

First off, what is fractional change?
I set up a conservation of momenum problem, momentum of Asteroid + momentum of Earth= momentum of Asteroid prime + momentum of Earth prime.
 
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The fractional change in angular momentum is

[tex]\frac {\Delta L}{L}[/tex]
 
This is my first post. I don't usually plea for help like this but I have been stuck for some time? Thanks Tide. How do I find the momentum prime of the Earth? I don't understand how exactly the asteroid affects it.
 
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there's an inelastic collision when the asteroid hits the earth
 
So I set up a conservation of momentum and a conservation of energy situation. How do I find the radius of the asteroid? Don't I need the radius and/or the initial angular velocity of the asteroid?
 
Ie(We-Weprime)=Ia(Waprime-Wa)
I cannot seem to find the velocity without the moment of inertia of the asteroid. How do I do this without knowing the radius of the asteroid?
 
I think that momentum is the same units, linear or angular. This is a tough problem. I would add the linear momentum of the asteroid to the angular momentum of the Earth since it hits tangentially, and check to see if the added mass of the asteroid is significant enough to change the I of the earth.
 
another definition for angular momentum is mass*velocity*radius
 
Take the asteroid to be small compared with the Earth so its moment of inertia is just that of a point particle - or just write its angular momentum as [itex]L_a = m_a v_a R_e[/itex] which is correct at the time of impact given the asteroid makes a tangential hit.
 
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Thanks. I have never seen that form of angular momentum before and was unaware that the asteroid would take on the Earth's radius.
 
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lightfire22000 said:
Thanks. I have never seen that form of angular momentum before and was unaware that the asteroid would take on the Earth's radius.

I am sure you have. That is how angular momentum is usually introduced in physics courses:

[tex]\vec L = \vec r \times \vec p[/tex]

If you're taking an engineering course, however, they may introduce it in terms of moments of inertia.
 
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Actually, our course(not engineering, just high school Physics) introduced it as the rotational analog to angular momentum, with the moment of inertia being analagous to mass in linear momentum. I understand how that form is derived though.
 
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lightfire22000 said:
Actually, our course(not engineering, just high school Physics) introduced it as the rotational analog to angular momentum, with the moment of inertia being analagous to mass in linear momentum. I understand how that form is derived though.

Oh, I see. I assumed it was a college course.

In that case, you can use a moment of inertia approach in which case you'll approximate the asteroid as a point "revolving" about the Earth's axis so [itex]I_a = m_a R_e^2[/itex]. The appropriate angular velocity is then found from [itex]v = \omega R_e[/itex]
 

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