Conservation of momentum of spacecraft and asteroid

In summary: It's ok, you don't need to solve the equation. Just draw the triangle and you'll see that the change in velocity will be in the same direction as the collision.
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Conservation of Momentum
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By "DART will have a relative speed of 6250 ms-1 when it collides with the asteroid", I assume it is the relative speed of the DART with respect to the asteroid.

Using that assumption, I can answer question (a)

For question (b), I don't understand the solution from the teacher. He did it like this:
$$\tan \theta=\frac{\Delta v_{\text{asteroid}}}{\text{initial velocity of asteroid}}$$
$$=\frac{4 \times 10^{-4}}{0.16}$$
$$\theta = 0.14^o$$

What's the logic behind that working?

I tried using conservation of momentum but got stuck because I don't know the initial speed of the DART.

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songoku said:
What's the logic behind that working?
Draw the velocity vectors for the asteroid - the initial, the final, and the change. Remember that the change in velocity can only happen along the direction of the collision. This should nett you a right triangle, to which you can then apply trigonometry.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Draw the velocity vectors for the asteroid - the initial, the final, and the change. Remember that the change in velocity can only happen along the direction of the collision. This should nett you a right triangle, to which you can then apply trigonometry.
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Maybe you mean that triangle, where:
a = initial velocity of asteroid
b = change in velocity of asteroid
c = final velocity of asteroid

But why don't the triangle in the shape like this:
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What does it mean by "along the direction of collision" ? Is it direction of x in the picture below?
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songoku said:
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Maybe you mean that triangle, where:
a = initial velocity of asteroid
b = change in velocity of asteroid
c = final velocity of asteroid

But why don't the triangle in the shape like this:
View attachment 298441

What does it mean by "along the direction of collision" ? Is it direction of x in the picture below?
View attachment 298445

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It says in the question to assume that the collision is at ##90## degrees to the direction of the asteroid's velocity. Conservation of momentum (in all directions) tell you the rest.
 
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songoku said:
But why don't the triangle in the shape like this:
Because you are told in the problem that the collision with DART is at 90 degrees to the velocity of the asteroid. So any velocity the asteroid may have gained (##\Delta V##) will be in the same direction as DART was moving along. Otherwise, the asteroid would have gained some momentum 'sideways', even though nothing ever hit it sideways. That would run afoul of conservation of momentum, so it's disallowed.

songoku said:
Maybe you mean that triangle, where:
a = initial velocity of asteroid
b = change in velocity of asteroid
c = final velocity of asteroid
Yes. Along the direction of collision would mean 'like b', since that's the direction DART hits the asteroid towards. That's the direction of the push, of the impulse.
It is, by the way, the same picture as the last one you made. The velocity vector c in the former is the one you labelled 'x' in the latter. The x is the sum of the other two.
There is a potential false intuition that might creep in here and confuse you, to the effect of: since x is longer than initial velocity, the body must have accelerated sideways as a result of the collision. But in reality, it is only longer in the way they hypotenuse in a right triangle is longer than its base. All the extra length is gained at the right angle.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Because you are told in the problem that the collision with DART is at 90 degrees to the velocity of the asteroid. So any velocity the asteroid may have gained (##\Delta V##) will be in the same direction as DART was moving along. Otherwise, the asteroid would have gained some momentum 'sideways', even though nothing ever hit it sideways. That would run afoul of conservation of momentum, so it's disallowed.Yes. Along the direction of collision would mean 'like b', since that's the direction DART hits the asteroid towards. That's the direction of the push, of the impulse.
It is, by the way, the same picture as the last one you made. The velocity vector c in the former is the one you labelled 'x' in the latter. The x is the sum of the other two.
There is a potential false intuition that might creep in here and confuse you, to the effect of: since x is longer than initial velocity, the body must have accelerated sideways as a result of the collision. But in reality, it is only longer in the way they hypotenuse in a right triangle is longer than its base. All the extra length is gained at the right angle.
I understand this.

PeroK said:
It says in the question to assume that the collision is at ##90## degrees to the direction of the asteroid's velocity. Conservation of momentum (in all directions) tell you the rest.
I have written the conservation of momentum in all directions but I can't see from the equation that the change in velocity of asteroid will be 90 degree to its initial direction of motion.

Let asteroid moving to the right collides with DART moving upwards, where:
ma = mass of asteroid
md = mass of DART
ua = initial velocity of asteroid
ud = initial velocity of DART
v = final velocity of asteroid and DART
θ = angle between v and horizontal

From conservation of momentum in x - direction:
ma . ua = (ma + md) . v cos θ ... (1)

From conservation of momentum in y - direction:
md . ud = (ma + md) . v sin θ ... (2)

Dividing (2) by (1): tan θ = (md . ud) / (ma . ua) ... (3)

Change in velocity of asteroid in x - direction: Δvx = v cos θ - ua
Change in velocity of asteroid in y - direction: Δvy = v sin θ

Change in velocity of asteroid:
$$\Delta v = \sqrt{(\Delta v_x)^2 + (\Delta v_y)^2}$$
$$=\sqrt{v^2-2v u_a \cos \theta +u_a^2} ~... (4)$$

From all of those equations, how can I know the change in velocity of the asteroid will have a direction of vertically upwards? I expect Δvx to be zero so v cos θ = ua but how to get this relation?

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songoku said:
but I can't see from the equation that the change in velocity of asteroid will be 90 degree to its initial direction of motion.
The wording there is critical to understanding. There are two main ideas:
1) That the spacecraft hits the asteroid perpendicular to the astroid's path. That means the asteroid originally had no velocity in that direction.
2) The question asks for the CHANGE in travel direction of the asteroid caused by the spacecraft impact.

Your first sketch in post #3 shows the result, with the length 'b' being the CHANGE in asteroid direction, not its new path.
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If the spacecraft approached and hit the asteroid from perhaps the 7 o'clock position in the diagram, then your second diagram would almost show the result. "Almost" because the impact would be at the point where sides 'a' and 'b' meet and the new path would be side 'b'. Side 'c' would not exist because nothing happened where 'a' and 'c' meet
1647447674830-png.png


Hope this helps!
Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
That means the asteroid originally had no velocity in that direction.
That it originally had no velocity in DART's direction.
Tom.G said:
with the length 'b' being the CHANGE in asteroid direction
Theta is the change in the asteroid direction. In the diagram, b represents the change in its velocity vector.
 
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@Bandersnatch is it enough to change an asteroid speed by 0.4mm/s so that is collision course with Earth is altered enough to prevent collision? I guess maybe when the asteroid is far away from Earth right?
 
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Delta2 said:
@Bandersnatch is it enough to change an asteroid speed by 0.4mm/s so that is collision course with Earth is altered enough to prevent collision? I guess maybe when the asteroid is far away from Earth right?
Suppose that the projected Earth impact was not dead center but at a point some 2000 km into the Earth's disc. Obtaining a 2000 kilometer deflection at 0.4 mm/second would require 2000 * 1000 * 1000 * 2.5 = 5 billion seconds. That is about 158 years.

If we could arrange for an impact one year in advance then that would suggest the need for 158 DART sized impactors.

There is some uncertainty about the effect of the impact. It might not be a simple merger. Chasing down a reference from Wikipedia to a somewhat better than average journalistic source...
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-59327293 said:
There's a degree of uncertainty over how Dimorphos will respond to the impact, in part because its interior structure isn't known. If Dimorphos is relatively solid inside, rather than full of spaces, it might produce lots of debris - which would give the object an extra push.
That said, there is little reason for optimism about a real life scenario.
 
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Thank you very much for all the help and explanation Bandersnatch, PeroK, Tom.Gm haruspex, Delta2, jbriggs444
 
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1. What is conservation of momentum?

Conservation of momentum is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the total momentum of a closed system remains constant over time, regardless of any internal or external forces acting on the system.

2. How does conservation of momentum apply to spacecraft and asteroid interactions?

When a spacecraft and an asteroid interact, their total momentum before and after the interaction must remain equal. This means that the spacecraft's momentum will change as a result of the interaction, either by gaining or losing momentum, in order to keep the total momentum of the system constant.

3. Can conservation of momentum be violated?

No, conservation of momentum is a fundamental law of physics and has been proven to hold true in all observed interactions. It is considered a universal law and cannot be violated.

4. How does the mass of an object affect its momentum?

The mass of an object is directly proportional to its momentum. This means that the greater the mass of an object, the greater its momentum will be. This is why larger objects, such as spacecraft, have a greater impact on the momentum of a system compared to smaller objects, like asteroids.

5. Is conservation of momentum only applicable in space?

No, conservation of momentum applies to all interactions, whether they occur in space or on Earth. It is a universal law that governs the behavior of objects in motion. However, in space, where there is no external force like friction, the conservation of momentum is easier to observe and apply.

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