Angular velocity of three gears attached (showed work)

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The problem involves determining the angular velocity of a drive shaft in a three-speed automotive transmission system, given the angular velocity of a connected shaft and the radii of various gears in the system. The original poster states that the angular velocity of shaft G is 30 rad/s and attempts to calculate the angular velocities of other gears based on their relationships.

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between the angular velocities of connected gears, questioning the calculations and gear ratios involved. There are attempts to clarify the use of gear ratios and how they relate to the angular velocities of the gears.

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Some participants provide guidance on using gear ratios to determine angular velocities, while others express confusion about specific calculations and the interpretation of ratios. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with no clear consensus on the correct approach or values.

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There are mentions of discrepancies in the angular velocity value provided for shaft G, with one participant suggesting it should be 60 rad/s instead of 30 rad/s, indicating potential variations in the problem statement across different editions of a textbook.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]
The operation of “reverse” for a three-speed automotive transmission is illustrated schematically in the figure.
If the shaft is turning with an angular velocity of Wg= 30 rad/s, determine the angular velocity of the drive shaft H. Each of the gears rotates about a fixed axis. Note that gears A and B , C and D , E and F are in mesh. The radius of each of these gears is reported in the figure.

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velocity=w * r (w is angular velocity)
"C:\Users\apoorva\Pictures\gears.jpg"[/URL]

[h2]The Attempt at a Solution[/h2]

So the angular velocity of shaft G is 30 rad/s.
I know that the velocity of B and A are same.
V[SUB]g[/SUB]=30(0.09)=2.7 m/s=V[SUB]a[/SUB]
W[SUB]a[/SUB]R[SUB]a[/SUB]=W[SUB]b[/SUB]R[SUB]b[/SUB]
2.7/0.03=90 rad/s =Wb

angular velocity of W[SUB]b [/SUB]and W[SUB]c[/SUB] is the same--> 90 rad/s

V[SUB]c[/SUB]=V[SUB]d [/SUB]so W[SUB]c[/SUB]R[SUB]c[/SUB]=W[SUB]d[/SUB]R[SUB]d[/SUB]
90(.3)=W[SUB]d[/SUB](.05)
W[SUB]d[/SUB]=54 rad/s

W[SUB]d[/SUB]R[SUB]d[/SUB]=W[SUB]e[/SUB]R[SUB]e[/SUB]
54(.05)=W[SUB]e[/SUB](.07)
W[SUB]e[/SUB]=38.6 rad/s

W[SUB]e[/SUB]R[SUB]e[/SUB]=W[SUB]f[/SUB]R[SUB]f[/SUB]
38.6(.07)=W[SUB]f[/SUB](.06)
W[SUB]f[/SUB]=45.03 rad/s

Therefore W[SUB]h[/SUB]=45.03 rad/s

But I keep getting the answer wrong and I don't know what I am doing.
 

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Where's the diagram?
 
i don't the link is working, but I posted an attachment which is at the end of the post called "gears"
 
anyone, please help!
 
howru said:
So the angular velocity of shaft G is 30 rad/s.
I know that the velocity of B and A are same.
Vg=30(0.5)=2.7 m/s=Va

How did you multiply 30 and .5 and get 2.7?
 
MHrtz said:
How did you multiply 30 and .5 and get 2.7?

I meant 30*(.09)=2.7
not 0.05. sorry about that. I changed it in my post.
Because r=0.09 m is the radius of gear A
 
I think I can help you out. I think you need to use gear ratios.

The speeds of gears can be determined by their gear ratio

If a particular gear moves at say 30 rad/s and has a radius of 4 and that same gear moves another with a radius of 6 than you can find the speed of the second gear by using a ratio

Gear ratio = Radius of larger gear/radius of smaller gear

In this case the gear ratio would be 1.5:1. This means that whenever the first gear rotates 1 and half times the second gear rotates only once.
 
MHrtz said:
I think I can help you out. I think you need to use gear ratios.

The speeds of gears can be determined by their gear ratio

If a particular gear moves at say 30 rad/s and has a radius of 4 and that same gear moves another with a radius of 6 than you can find the speed of the second gear by using a ratio

Gear ratio = Radius of larger gear/radius of smaller gear

In this case the gear ratio would be 1.5:1. This means that whenever the first gear rotates 1 and half times the second gear rotates only once.

how did you get 1.5:1. is from using your numbers or the radius from my problem?

Ok, looking from my problem

Shaft G is 30 rad/s and gear A has the same angular velocity because the shaft is connected to gear A. Radius of gear A is 0.09 meters.

The second gear is B and it's radius is 0.03.
Gear ratio=0.09:0.03 which is 3:1, right?
then I would use that to find my velocity?
So speed of Gear B is=30(3)-->90 rad/s.

Then Gear B and Gear C are the same because the radius is the same.

So Gear C has 90 rad/s which has a radius of 0.03m.
Gear D has 0.05m.
Gear ratio=0.05:0.03--> 1.67:1
then speed of Gear D is (1.67m)(90)=150
..etc.
right. that's the idea?

I understand what you are saying and I'm going to do that. but I'm a little confused about the ratios.

how do you simplify ratios with decimals: so from above .05:.03, would it 1.67:1
OR since .05/.03 is 5/3, would it 3:5
 
never mind you got 1.5 by 6/4.

I got it. just ignore my ratios questions.
thanks for your help.
 
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Well if 90mm is 3 times as big as 30mm than that is a ratio of 3:1. Likewise if a gear is .05m and the other is .03m than it is a 5:3 ratio. a 5:3 ratio is the same as a 1.67:1 ratio mathematically.
 
  • #11
What book are you using? Are using Engineering Mechanics: Dynamics (12th edition) by Hibbeler because if you are then Wg is incorrect. it should be 60rad/s not 30rad/s.
 
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MHrtz said:
What book are you using? Are using Engineering Mechanics: Dynamics (12th edition) by Hibbeler because if you are then Wg is incorrect. it should be 60rad/s not 30rad/s.

i'm using the 11th edition but my homework is on masteringengineering.com so sometimes the website changes the numbers.
 

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