Animation Shows One Year of CO2 Swirling Through the Atmosphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an animation depicting one year of CO2 swirling through the atmosphere, highlighting the dynamics of carbon dioxide absorption by plants and the implications of CO2 concentrations as observed from satellite data. Participants explore the differences between the animation and actual satellite data, as well as the geographical distribution of CO2 concentrations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the significant absorption of carbon dioxide by plants during the summer months.
  • One participant highlights discrepancies between the CO2 simulation video and actual data from the OCO-2 satellite, pointing out differences in data periods and scales.
  • Concerns are raised about the simulation's accuracy in representing relative CO2 concentrations, with specific claims about higher concentrations in South America and Southern Africa compared to the simulation.
  • Another participant mentions unexpected high CO2 concentrations in Southeast Asia, questioning the implications without understanding air mass movements.
  • There is speculation about the southern hemisphere's oceans potentially releasing more CO2 than expected, or that land hotspots are influencing oceanic concentrations.
  • Discussion includes anticipation for future data from the OCO-2 satellite and its correlation with solar-induced fluorescence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the accuracy of the CO2 simulation compared to satellite data, with no consensus reached on the implications of the discrepancies or the reasons behind the observed concentrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the movement of air masses and how this may affect CO2 concentration readings, indicating that further data is needed for clarity.

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It's interesting how plants manage to absorb so much carbon dioxide during the summer. Thanks.
 
I was just about to post this video! Very interesting! I also liked how much plants helped in the summer and was surprised by the carbon monoxide offset in the other half of the globe.
 
This is beautiful.
 
Good site, thanks.
 
So the first data from the OCO-2 satellite are in from NASA: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/19dec_oco/

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2014/12/19/splash2.jpg

Clearly this map is not directly comparable to the simulation video posted above:
a) the data image is an average from October 1st to November 11th 2014 whereas the simulation video is made up of day long segments from based on 2006 atmospheric circulation data
b) the scales are different
c) absolute CO2 concentrations were higher in 2014 than in 2006
d) the video also includes carbon monoxide concs on another scale which somewhat confuse the picture

BUT to the layman (me) it does seem like the simulation has done a relatively poor job of simulating the relative CO2 concentrations represented by the data. If you stop the video at 2:28 representing the 21st October 2006 (roughly the midpoint of the data period from the OCO-2 picture):
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I would argue the following arguments are fair:
a) South America and Southern Africa have much larger concentrations than the simulated hotspots
b) S.E. Asia has a completely unexpected high CO2 concentration
c) the Oceans of the southern hemisphere are either (net) releasing more CO2 than expected, or the much larger than expected over land hotspots in the southern hemisphere have generated much larger southern hemisphere concentrations across the oceans than expected
d) the northern hemisphere is (net) releasing much less CO2 than expected
e) the south east China CO2 hotspot is well represented in the model

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the data from OCO-2 develops over the next year and whether the seemingly reasonable correlation between solar induced flourescence continues throughout the year . . . although confusingly the time period for this map is August to October 2014:

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2014/12/19/splash3.jpg
 
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Loudzoo said:
a) South America and Southern Africa have much larger concentrations than the simulated hotspots
It's tough to say what's going on without knowing how air masses were moving (stationary highs, lows yielding stagnation, or seasonal "winds" coming through and moving the seasonal burning CO2 out of an area quickly.
Loudzoo said:
b) S.E. Asia has a completely unexpected high CO2 concentration
Again, without correlating this to movements and mixing of air masses, it's "up in the air" as to what it actually means.
 

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