Annoyingly simple problem - rational functions and limits at infinity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the limit of a rational function as x approaches infinity, specifically the function f(x) = (x^3 - 2x)/(2x^2 - 10). Participants explore the implications of polynomial degrees in the numerator and denominator, the use of L'Hôpital's rule, and the interpretation of limits versus asymptotic behavior.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the degree of the numerator exceeds that of the denominator, there is no horizontal asymptote, questioning the limit as x approaches infinity.
  • Another participant asserts that the limit is x/2, recommending dividing by the highest degree term.
  • Some participants propose that the limit tends to infinity, indicating that while x/2 represents an asymptotic form, the function itself does not converge to a finite limit.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the original question asks for the limit, not the asymptotic behavior, suggesting a misunderstanding of the question's intent.
  • Another participant clarifies that the limit is undefined as it tends towards infinity, while also noting that f(x) approaches x/2 asymptotically.
  • One participant mentions using extended reals for limits, stating that the limit can be expressed as +∞.
  • Another contribution discusses the first term of the asymptotic expansion of f(x) about infinity, providing a more detailed mathematical expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the limit is defined or tends to infinity, with some emphasizing the distinction between limits and asymptotic behavior. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the original question or the correct limit.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of precise wording in mathematical statements, indicating that interpretations may vary based on how the question is framed. The discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of limits and asymptotic behavior.

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Hi all

This is my first post so please be gentle with me!

Limit of this rational function as x approaches infinity?

f(x) = (x^3 - 2x)/(2x^2 - 10)

I was under the impression that if the degree of the polynomial of the numerator exceed that of the denominator then there could be no horizontal asymptote. Is this correct?

I've used l'hospital's rule and found the limit to be 3x/2. I've been told the limit as x tends to infinity is x/2. Which is the correct solution and why? This has been driving me crazy!

Damian
 
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It's x/2. Just divide everything by 2x^2.
 
Or, just retain the highest order term in the numerator and also in the denominator.

This leaves a ratio of [tex]{{x}\over{2}}[/tex]
 
The limit is [tex]\infty[/tex]. You can find that by taking the above suggestions and taking x/2 as x goes to infinity, but x/2 itself is not the limit.
 
adriank said:
The limit is [tex]\infty[/tex]. You can find that by taking the above suggestions and taking x/2 as x goes to infinity, but x/2 itself is not the limit.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. The function approaches a "limiting" (asymptotic) form of x/2 in the limit at x goes to infinity. It doesn't matter if the value of the function goes to infinity as x goes to infinity. Electrical engineers use this trick all the time to find out the high frequency response of a system. We always have frequency response as a ratio of polynomials in frequency. We just keep the highest order terms in the numerator and in the denominator to find the high frequency response.
 
I'm not misunderstanding anything. The question didn't ask about the asymptotic behaviour of the function as x goes to infinity; it only asked about the limit. I was giving a clear answer to the question.
 
adriank said:
I'm not misunderstanding anything. The question didn't ask about the asymptotic behaviour of the function as x goes to infinity; it only asked about the limit. I was giving a clear answer to the question.

Well, I read the question differently. It says "what is the limit of the rational function?". This implies finding the limiting functional form which is born out by the answer. He tried to solve the problem as if he needs the numerical limit, which is why he is confused.

If you are saying that the wording of the question is vague and that the answer of infinity could be acceptable as an answer, I won't argue about that.
 
I didn't find the problem statement unclear or ambiguous at all. Oh well.
 
The limit of the function as x approaches infinity is undefined (it tends towards infinity).

The f(x) - x/2 goes to zero in the limit of large n, implying that the function f(x) ~ x/2 asymptotically.
 
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adriank said:
I didn't find the problem statement unclear or ambiguous at all. Oh well.

Yes, I see your point. Math requires precise statements. I shouldn't read things into it.
 
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AUMathTutor said:
The limit of the function as x approaches infinity is undefined (it tends towards infinity).

The f(x) - x/2 goes to zero in the limit of large n, implying that the function f(x) ~ x/2 asymptotically.

I always use extended reals for limits, so I would say
[tex]\lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=+\infty.[/tex]

If you really want to get technical, what the original poster was asking for is the first term of the asymptotic expansion of f(x) about infinity:
[tex]f(x)=\frac x2+\frac{3}{2x}+\frac{15}{2x^3}+\frac{75}{2x^5}+\cdots[/tex]
 

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