Another action for the relativistic particle

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The discussion revolves around the action for a relativistic particle, specifically exploring an alternative Lagrangian presented in a paper by Andrew Wipf. Participants are examining the implications of this Lagrangian on the trajectory of the particle and discussing various aspects of the formalism, including gauge transformations and the einbein formulation.

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  • Some participants are familiar with the traditional action $$mc \int ds$$ for a relativistic particle and are questioning how the new Lagrangian from Wipf's paper can inform the shape of the particle's trajectory.
  • One participant discusses deriving the geodesic equation from a specific Lagrangian form, noting its implications for massive and massless particles.
  • There is a question regarding whether a gauge transformation is a constant or a function of time, indicating uncertainty about its nature.
  • Another participant mentions the einbein form of the action and its relationship to the action for massless particles, suggesting that the traditional action is an einbein-free equivalent.
  • One post elaborates on constructing a diffeomorphism-invariant action-integral on a one-dimensional "space-time," proposing a cosmological-constant-type action and discussing its implications for the equations of motion.
  • Participants raise exercises related to calculating conjugate momentum and investigating the geometric meaning of certain terms in the equations of motion.
  • There is a reference to an article explaining the origin of the einbein, with some participants expressing skepticism about how it is introduced in various contexts.
  • A participant mentions constraints associated with the equations of motion and their relation to gauge transformations, raising questions about the nature of these constraints.

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Participants express a range of views on the implications of the new Lagrangian and the einbein formulation, with no clear consensus reached on the interpretations or the nature of the gauge transformations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of the Lagrangian and the gauge transformations, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the equations of motion.

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Hi Pf
i am accustomed with the action $$mc \int ds $$ for relativistic particle.
i found a paper by Andrew Wipf with another lagrangian. please look at the beginning of chapter seven (7.1) Is it possible to deduce from it the shape of its trajectory? I have a lot of question about this chapter...
 
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I'm not familiar with the formalism provided in the paper, but I guess it's about the fact that you can derive the geodesic equation for the motion of a test particle in a given spacetime by the Lagrangian
$$L=\frac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} \dot{q}^{\mu} \dot{q}^{\nu},$$
where the dot refers to an arbitrary world-line parameter, ##\lambda## which is in using this particular form of the Lagrangian automatically affine.

This is easy to see: Because the Lagrangian does not explicitly depend on ##\lambda## the "Hamiltonian",
$$H=p_{\mu} \dot{q}^{\mu}-L=L, \quad p_{\mu}=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}^{\mu}}$$
is conserved along the trajectory.

If you have a massive test particle then you can make ##L=\frac{1}{2}##. Then the affine parameter is proportional to the proper time of the particle, but this form of Hamilton's principle also works for massless particles.

You can also use this trick for the covariant dynamics of relativistic particles in special relativity. For this case, the alternative form for the free part of the Lagrangian is derived in

https://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/pf-faq/srt.pdf
 
Do you thind that in the gauge transformation $$t --> t - \xi$$
it is a constant or a function of t?
 
It's just the einbein form of the action for a point particle, e.g. eq. (2.1.5) of GSW (note the action you posted is technically zero for massless particles, one adds in the constraint p^2 = - m^2 as a Lagrange multiplier then eliminates momentum to get the action as in (7.1)).
 
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Hi Pf
i am accustomed with the action $$mc \int ds $$ for relativistic particle.
i found a paper by Andrew Wipf with another lagrangian. please look at the beginning of chapter seven (7.1) Is it possible to deduce from it the shape of its trajectory? I have a lot of question about this chapter...
Let (\mathcal{M}^{1} , e) be a 1-dimensional “space-time” with coordinate \tau and metric d\sigma^{2} = e(\tau) d\tau d\tau , with e(\tau) \equiv e_{\tau \tau}(\tau) being the component of the (obviously symmetric) metric tensor. Under a general coordinate transformation (or, which is the same thing, diffeomorphism or gauge transformation) on \mathcal{M}^{1}, \tau \to \tau^{\prime} = \tau^{\prime}(\tau), the (component) of the metric tensor transforms as e^{\prime} (\tau^{\prime}) = \left( \frac{d\tau}{d \tau^{\prime}}\right)^{2} \ e(\tau) . This means that d\tau \sqrt{e(\tau)} is a diffeomorphism-invariant measure on \mathcal{M}^{1} (prove it). Next, we think of \left(\mathcal{M}^{1}, e(\tau)\right) as the world-line x^{\mu}(\tau) of particle in the 4-dimensional (pseudo Riemannian) space-time (\mathcal{M}^{(1,3)}, g_{\mu\nu}(x)). In other words, we define e(\tau) to be a metric on the world-line x^{\mu}(\tau), or (equivalently) define x^{\mu}(\tau) to be 4 scalar fields on the 1-dimensional “space-time” \left(\mathcal{M}^{1}, e(\tau)\right).

We now try to formulate “general relativity”- type theory on the world line, i.e., we try to construct a diffeomorphism-invariant action-integral on \mathcal{M}^{1} using the metric e(\tau) and the scalar fields x^{\mu}(\tau). From the invariant measure on \mathcal{M}^{1}, we form the following cosmological-constant-type (gauge invariant) action S[e] = - \frac{m^{2}}{2} \int d \tau \ \sqrt{e(\tau)} , where m is a constant of mass dimension. For the scalar fields x^{\mu}(\tau), we seek a scalar (Lagrangian) that plays the part of the Ricci scalar in General Relativity, i.e., we would like to find an action of the form S[x] = \int d\tau \sqrt{e(\tau)} R(\mathcal{M}^{1}), where R(\mathcal{M}^{1}) is some scalar depending on the fields e(\tau) and x^{\mu}(\tau). Let us define the function \mathcal{L} (x) = \frac{1}{2} g_{\mu\nu}(x) \frac{dx^{\mu}}{d\tau}\frac{dx^{\nu}}{d\tau}, and examine its behaviour under the diffeomorphism \tau \to \bar{\tau} = \bar{\tau}(\tau) (infinitesimally, this is written as \bar{\tau} = \tau + \epsilon (\tau), but we don’t need this in here). Since \bar{x}^{\mu}(\bar{\tau}) = x^{\mu}(\tau), we find (I invite you to do the simple algebra)\mathcal{L}(\bar{x}) = \mathcal{L}(x) \left(\frac{d\tau}{d\bar{\tau}}\right)^{2} . From this, we can identify the Ricci scalar on \mathcal{M}^{1} by R(\mathcal{M}^{1}) \equiv e^{-1} (\tau) \mathcal{L}(x) = \bar{e}^{-1}(\bar{\tau}) \mathcal{L}(\bar{x}) . Thus, we have the following “Einstein-Hilbert” action on the world-line S[x] = \int d\tau \sqrt{e} \ R(\mathcal{M}^{1}) = \frac{1}{2} \int d\tau \sqrt{e(\tau)} e^{-1}(\tau) g_{\mu\nu}(x)\dot{x}^{\mu}(\tau)\dot{x}^{\nu}(\tau) . Therefore, for the total action, we have S[e,x] = \frac{1}{2} \int d\tau \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{e}}g_{\mu\nu}(x)\dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^{\nu} - m^{2} \sqrt{e}\right) . This action is suitable for massive and massless particles. Let us find the equations of motion for the fields (Please, fill in the algebraic details!): For e(\tau) \frac{\delta S}{\delta e} = 0 \ \Rightarrow \ e^{-1}g_{\mu\nu}\dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^{\nu} + m^{2} = 0 . This is a constraint equation. For m \neq 0, we can write e = - \frac{g_{\mu\nu}\dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^{\nu}}{m^{2}} . Substituting this back in the total action, we find the familiar action for massive particle S_{m}[x] = -m \int d\tau \ \sqrt{g_{\mu\nu}(x)\dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^{\nu}} = -m \int \ ds.

Exercise(1): Calculate the conjugate momentum p_{\mu} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{\mu}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{e}} g_{\mu\nu}(x)\dot{x}^{\nu}, and show that the constraint equation is nothing but the dispersion relation g_{\mu\nu}p^{\mu}p^{\nu} + m^{2} = 0. Choose \tau to be the proper time and show that p^{\mu} = m\dot{x}^{\mu}.

Exercise(2): Show that \frac{\delta}{\delta x^{\mu}}S[e,x] = 0 \ \Rightarrow \ \sqrt{e} \frac{d}{d\tau} \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{e}}\dot{x}^{\mu}\right) + \Gamma^{\mu}_{\rho \sigma}(x) \dot{x}^{\rho}\dot{x}^{\sigma} = 0. This can be written as \ddot{x}^{\mu} + \Gamma^{\mu}_{\rho\sigma} \dot{x}^{\rho}\dot{x}^{\sigma} - \frac{1}{2} \frac{\dot e}{e} \dot{x}^{\mu} = 0. What is the geometric meaning of the factor \frac{1}{2}e^{-1}\dot{e} in the last term of the above equation of motion? Why is it always possible to choose \tau such that e(\tau) = 1? Of course, in this case you will have p_{\mu} = g_{\mu\nu}\dot{x}^{\nu}, p_{\mu}\dot{x}^{\mu} + m^{2} = 0 and \ddot{x}^{\mu} + \Gamma^{\mu}_{\rho \sigma}\dot{x}^{\rho}\dot{x}^{\sigma} = 0.

Exercise(3): Investigate the case when m = 0.
 
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Your article is a discussion of the GSW equation (2.1.5) I mentioned above, however GSW introduce it out of thin air and the article introduces the einbein basically via magic.

The fool-proof way to arrive at the einbein form of the action, the way that generalizes, is discussed from equations (2.13) to (2.16) here

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/examples/3P6.pdf

with this method generalizing to the Nambu-Goto action to give the Polyakov action via equations (3.10) to (3.19) and then equations (3.48) to (3.50).
 
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In his answer Samarkhaiat gave the constraint $$C=p^2 + m^2=0$$ `associated to the eom of the invariant action by a gauge transformation. I read that the associated constraints are the generators of the gauge transformations. and that they are exp (i e C). is it the case here?
 
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You are analyzing a constrained dynamical system, and it is commonly said that 'first class constraints are generators of gauge transformations', e.g. section 1.4 of Henneaux 'Quantization of Gauge Systems'. On a classical level, they are not commonly written in exponential form like that, however on a quantum level they are, e.g. one can take C to be the Hamiltonian and one ends up with the Klein-Gordon equation.

Section 2.1 of these notes http://www-th.bo.infn.it/people/bastianelli/ch6-FT2.pdf treat the relativistic point particle as a constrained system, derive the constraint and derive the einbein action, and also treat the constraint C as the Hamiltonian on a quantum level (thus it is in exp (i C) form) but the Hamiltonian vanishes.
 
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I still have a question about the gauge fixing in the relativistic free particle model.
When we consider the electromagnetisme hamiltonien using the potential A, we know that gauge transformations leave the electric and magnetic filelds unchanged.
Here we have the lapse e and a four verctor representing the position of the particle in space time. the space positions are measurable.
I read this in another paper:
the gauge transformation reads
$$x(\tau) -> x(f(\tau))$$
$$e(\tau) -> f'_\tau e(f(\tau)) $$
then the author writes fixing the gauge with tau = x0 ...

does this leave the positions x,y and z unchanged?
 
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Heidi said:
I still have a question about the gauge fixing in the relativistic free particle model.
When we consider the electromagnetisme hamiltonien using the potential A, we know that gauge transformations leave the electric and magnetic filelds unchanged.
Here we have the lapse e and a four verctor representing the position of the particle in space time. the space positions are measurable.
I read this in another paper:
the gauge transformation reads
$$x(\tau) -> x(f(\tau))$$
$$e(\tau) -> f'_\tau e(f(\tau)) $$
then the author writes fixing the gauge with tau = x0 ...

does this leave the positions x,y and z unchanged?

Well, yes. I guess you mean the static gauge. This only restricts the temporal coordinate $$x^0$$, not the spatial ones.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the space positions are measurable". You can also measure the time coordinate, but by its very nature these are coordinate dependent.

By the way, if you refer to papers or books, please give references. We don't have magic abilities here at PF and context is often crucial in giving some aid ;)
 
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These lines are in a french thesis written by David Louapre.
I attached the paragraph about the subject.
in electromagnetism the gauge group transforms A -> A' A' - A obeying a linear differential law. it is easy to see that we have gauge group and to find the generators.
but here when f is not infinitesimal , have we also a gauge group, and what are the lie generators?
if the primed values denote transformed value we have $$ x' ( \tau') = x(\tau), e'( \tau') d\tau' = e( \tau) d\tau$$
Does if help for the group question?
 

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