Another homework of Newton's law of motion

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to Newton's laws of motion, specifically involving forces acting on an object in an accelerating elevator. The scenario includes a spring balance measuring the weight of a fish while the elevator accelerates upwards.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the fish, including gravitational force and the force exerted by the spring balance. There are attempts to relate the scale reading to the true weight of the fish and the effects of the elevator's acceleration. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the scale reading as either weight or force, and the implications of the elevator's motion on these measurements.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between the forces and the readings on the spring balance. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem mathematically, with various interpretations being discussed. Confusion persists regarding the definitions of weight and force in this context.

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The problem includes specific values for acceleration and gravitational force, and participants are considering the implications of these values on the readings of the spring balance under different conditions. There is a reference to external resources for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


A proud angler hangs her catch from a spring balance, which is supported from the roof of an elevator.
a.) if the elevator has an upward acceleration of 2.45m/s2 and the balance reads 50.0N, what is the true weight of the fish?
b.) Under what circumstances will the balance read 30.0N?
c.) What will the balance read if the cable breaks?

given:
a = 2.45m/s2
g = 9.8 m/s2
wbalance = 50.0N
wtrue = ?

what formulas will I use? Please help
 
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Just look for the forces acting on the fish. You know it's acceleration and scale reading is actually the force between the fish and the scale (spring).

You can also solve this by using fictitious force (elevator is non-inertial reference frame).
 
N-Gin said:
Just look for the forces acting on the fish. You know it's acceleration and scale reading is actually the force between the fish and the scale (spring).

You can also solve this by using fictitious force (elevator is non-inertial reference frame).

Sorry, I am so dumb when it comes to physics.
Does this mean I'll use F = ma then solve weight from there?
 
Gravity pulls the fish down, and the spring pulls it up. Force from the spring is greater, so the fish (along with the elevator and everything inside) accelerates upwards. So, you have

[tex]m\vec{a}=m\vec{g}+\vec{F},[/tex]

where [itex]\vec{F}[/itex] is elastic force of the spring. When you get rid of the vectors, you have

[tex]ma=-mg+F.[/tex]

I assumed that upwards is the positive direction. Everything else (that points downwards) is negative - gravity in this case.
 
N-Gin said:
Gravity pulls the fish down, and the spring pulls it up. Force from the spring is greater, so the fish (along with the elevator and everything inside) accelerates upwards. So, you have

[tex]m\vec{a}=m\vec{g}+\vec{F},[/tex]

where [itex]\vec{F}[/itex] is elastic force of the spring. When you get rid of the vectors, you have

[tex]ma=-mg+F.[/tex]

I assumed that upwards is the positive direction. Everything else (that points downwards) is negative - gravity in this case.

Im so confused... is the 50.0N a weight or a force?
 
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Ogakor said:

Homework Statement


A proud angler hangs her catch from a spring balance, which is supported from the roof of an elevator.
a.) if the elevator has an upward acceleration of 2.45m/s2 and the balance reads 50.0N, what is the true weight of the fish?
b.) Under what circumstances will the balance read 30.0N?
c.) What will the balance read if the cable breaks?

given:
a = 2.45m/s2
g = 9.8 m/s2
wbalance = 50.0N
wtrue = ?

what formulas will I use? Please help

Take a look at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...VzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--?qid=20061106061139AAPqm7P"

So Neutons being weight and g being the acceleration due to gravity, the 50N = m (g + 2.45). Find the mass in kg, then solve for the new weight.

Then go back and find out what acceleration the elevator should have to produce 30N.
 
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Ogakor said:
Im so confused... is the 50.0N a weight or a force?
Both. A weight is a force. While the elevator is going upward, the net force on the spring (so the reading on the scale) is the weight of the fish, mg, plus the "ma" where m is the mass of the fish (not weight, weight is mg) and a is the acceleration of the elevator.

While the elevator is going upward, the net force is the weight of the fish minus ma.
 

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