Scale Reading in Elevator: Mass, Acceleration, and Velocity Calculations

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a person standing on a scale in an elevator, addressing concepts of mass, acceleration, and the effects of motion on scale readings. The original poster presents a series of questions related to the scale's readings under different conditions of the elevator's movement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the mass of the person and the scale readings during various phases of the elevator's motion. Some participants question the need for free body diagrams and the summation of forces to simplify the problem-solving process. Others suggest that understanding Newton's laws is crucial for tackling the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the scale readings during constant velocity and deceleration phases. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of free body diagrams and resources for further learning, though there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential grading implications for not using free body diagrams, and the original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with certain parts of the problem. Additionally, there are references to external resources and textbooks that may assist in understanding the concepts discussed.

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Homework Statement



A person stands on a scale in a elevator at rest. The scale reads 900N.
1) what is the persons mass
2) the elevator accelerates up at 2.5m/s^2. What does the scale read now ?
3)The elevator then continues to move upwards with a steady speed of 4m/s for 5 seconds. What does the scale read during this period
4)the elevator now decelerates at 1.8m/s^2 until it reaches zero velocity. What does the scale read during this period[/B]

Homework Equations

: F=ma and W=mg [/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


1) rearrange w=mg for m = 900/9.81 = 91.7kg

2) a= 9.81+2.5 = 12.31 so f=ma ... f=91.7*12.31 = 1128.8N

3) I AM COMPLETELY STUCK ON THIS PART ? -if it is moving upwards at 4m/s for 5 seconds. Then there would be no acceleration as a=0
so the scale would read the same 1128 N
would i need to show any working out instead of w=mg = 91.7* 9.8 ?

4) COMPLETELY STUCK - I UNDERSTAND A= -1.8M/S^2 as it is decelerating [/B]
 
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Question 3) if it is moving upwards at 4m/s for 5 seconds. Then there would be no acceleration as a=0

so the scale would read the same 1128 N

would i need to show any working out instead of w=mg = 91.7* 9.8
 
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Do you draw a free body diagram and sum your forces? That would make it considerably simpler. Your solutions for 1 and 2 are indeed correct. However, I cannot think of a physics teacher that would not take off points on a test for the lack of free body diagram and summing of forces.
 
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AlephNumbers said:
Do you draw a free body diagram and sum your forces? That would make it considerably simpler. Your solutions for 1 and 2 are indeed correct. However, I cannot think of a physics teacher that would not take off points on a test for the lack of free body diagram and summing of forces.

how would i draw a free body diagram and sum forces ? is there any tutorial or website i could reference off ?
 
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/newtlaws/U2l2d.cfm might help. And here is a decent video . Make sure you understand Newton's three laws. The mathematics are resultant from his postulations about motion. I would recommend taking an introductory physics course from a certified teacher, honestly. There are some free textbooks here on PF, but most of them seem to deal with more advanced topics. It's worth a look though.
 
Really, that video is hardly a substitute for a good lecture.
 
AlephNumbers said:
Really, that video is hardly a substitute for a good lecture.

thanks for your help. i am understanding the concepts slowly. Where do i search on this website for textbooks. Would you know of any textbook that explains these concepts but are not to technical to understand.
 

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