Another Notation Thing: Del^2 V

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The discussion revolves around the notation of the Laplace operator, specifically the use of subscripts such as (\theta, \phi) in the expression {\nabla}^2 V_{(\theta, \phi)}. Participants explore the implications of this notation in the context of spherical coordinates and its application in integrating potentials.

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  • Some participants suggest that the subscript on the Laplace operator specifies the variables or coordinates of the function V on which the operator is acting.
  • Others argue that the variables should be attached to the operator rather than the potential function, citing common usage in literature.
  • A participant mentions that the notation may indicate which variables are held constant during integration, particularly in the context of integrating potential over a sphere.
  • Another participant provides an example of the Laplace operator in Cartesian coordinates, indicating that the subscript can denote differentiation with respect to specific variables.
  • Some participants assert that the subscripts (\theta, \phi) imply the use of spherical coordinates, while others note the absence of radial derivatives in certain contexts.

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Participants express differing views on whether the subscript should be applied to the operator or the potential function, indicating a lack of consensus on the notation's interpretation.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the notation's application in different coordinate systems and the specific context in which it is used, particularly in relation to integration and differentiation.

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What does the subscript [tex](\theta, \phi)[/tex] mean on the laplace operator? i.e.

[tex]{\nabla}^2 V_{(\theta, \phi)}[/tex]
 
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Can you provide the context of this notation?
 
hmm, the lapace operator is normally just the nabla^2, perhaps the subscipt specifies the variables/co-ordinates of the function V on which the laplace operator is operating
 
I think the variables should be on the operator, and not on the potential. I've seen it most commonly like this:

[tex]\nabla^2_{r'} V(r-r')[/tex]

where the subscript is to remind us that, as CPL.Luke says, that we are differentiating with respect to the dashed variables (or undashed, as it is in your example)
 
masudr said:
I think the variables should be on the operator, and not on the potential. I've seen it most commonly like this:

[tex]\nabla^2_{r'} V(r-r')[/tex]

where the subscript is to remind us that, as CPL.Luke says, that we are differentiating with respect to the dashed variables (or undashed, as it is in your example)
Ooops..:blushing: I meant to put the subscript on the operator not on the function. Sorry about that.
 
In response to the context of my question, the author who used this notation was integrating the potential on the surface of the sphere. So I guess the notation [tex]{{\nabla}^2}_{(\theta, \phi)} V[/tex] is used to denote the variables which are held constant while the notation [tex]{{\nabla}^2}_r V[/tex] is used to denote the variable(s) which are being integrated over.
 
I've seen [tex]\nabla^2_{xy}[/tex] to mean

[tex]\nabla^2_{xy}=\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}+\frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}[/tex]
 
quasar987 said:
I've seen [tex]\nabla^2_{xy}[/tex] to mean

[tex]\nabla^2_{xy}=\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}+\frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}[/tex]

This is what i would say. i believe the theta and phi in the subscript in the original post imply spherical coordinates.
 
without the radial derivatives.
 

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