Another question about beta decay (stupid ones)

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The discussion revolves around beta decay, specifically addressing questions about the spontaneous nature of electron and positron emission, and the origins of these particles during the decay process. It includes both theoretical and conceptual aspects of beta minus and beta plus decay.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether beta minus decay requires an external interaction to trigger the emission of an electron, suggesting a need for momentum or energy from another particle.
  • Another participant asserts that beta decay is a spontaneous process, with the particle emitted directly from the nucleus, independent of the atom's electrons.
  • A different participant notes that most atomic nuclei are neutron-heavy and naturally decay to emit electrons, while some, like certain cobalt isotopes, are proton-heavy and emit positrons.
  • It is mentioned that true positron emitters are rare and often short-lived, with an example given of Na-22 as a long-lived positron emitter.
  • One participant introduces the concept of K-capture, where a proton absorbs an electron and emits a neutrino, as a related process to positron emission.
  • There are references to rare nuclei that can beta decay in either direction, indicating complexity in the decay processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of external interactions for beta decay, with some asserting it is spontaneous while others question this. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how positrons are generated and the conditions under which different types of decay occur.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the nature of beta decay depend on specific definitions of particle interactions and decay processes, which are not fully explored in the discussion. The mention of rare nuclei and K-capture introduces additional complexity that is not resolved.

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A couple of really stupid questions:(

In beta minus decay, an atom release and electron (and an antineutrino). The electron, does this happen spontaneously? Doesn't the another particle have to collide or interact with the atom (be give it some momentum, or energy), to trigger the atom to release an electron.

And in beta plus decay, an atom releases a positron. Where does this positron actually come from? The atom can liberate electrons, sure, but not positrons!
 
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In beta decay (either one), the particle release is spontaneous. The particle is emitted by the nucleus - it has nothing to do with the electrons in the atom. The essential process is neutron to proton conversion (electron emission) or proton to neutron (positron emission), within the nucleus.
 
Hi vertices! :smile:

Most atomic nuclei are "neutron-heavy", so they naturally decay to emit electrons, but a few (cobalt-something, for example, I think) are "proton-heavy", so they naturally decay to emit positrons. :smile:
 
True positron emitters are rare and short-lived. (I think Na-22 is the longest lived, at about 3 years) More common is something called K-capture, when a proton absorbs an electron, turns into a neutron and emits a neutrino.

There are even rare nuclei that can beta decay in either direction. One is even mentioned somewhere on this page.
 
thanks for the replies guys:)
 

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