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The discussion revolves around the application of complex potential and conformal mapping to analyze fluid flow problems, specifically in the context of interference patterns generated by two point-like sources. Participants explore the relationship between the mathematical representation of these phenomena and classical wave theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a complex potential approach to model interference from two point sources, using logarithmic functions to derive streamlines.
  • Another participant cautions against directly comparing wave phenomena with electrostatic distributions, suggesting that while the calculations may appear correct, they represent different physical situations.
  • A participant emphasizes that the complex potential can model fluid flow but questions whether it adequately describes interference, noting that interference is related to phase differences in oscillatory phenomena.
  • It is suggested that the participant should also consider equipotential lines for a more intuitive understanding of the flow patterns.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of complex potential to describe interference in fluid flow. There is no consensus on whether the derived streamlines correspond to classical interference patterns, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between static and dynamic situations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the distinction between static and oscillatory phenomena, indicating that the assumptions underlying the calculations may not fully capture the dynamics of interference.

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Hi,

For those of you who remember my last thread here, I'm doing a high school graduation project about conformal mapping and the complex potential applied to fluid flow problems. The last time I asked for help you were incredibly helpful so I thought I'd share another issue with you.

I thought of trying to apply the complex potential method to one of the most basic problem I studied in wave theory: interference, for example from two point-like sources. This looks natural if I recall that for a single source at point a we have the complex potential
[tex]\frac{Q}{2\pi} \mathrm{Ln} (z-a)[/tex]
and superposition holds, so if we have two sources of equal strength at points d,-d (d is real), the overall potential should be
[tex]\frac{Q}{2\pi} (\mathrm{Ln} (z-d) + \mathrm{Ln} (z+d) )[/tex]
So I tried to work it out algebrically and found that the streamlines should be the curves that give rise so
[tex]x^2 - y^2 - \frac{2xy}{c} = d^2[/tex]
where c are the constants that represent the different streamlines. Since I don't recognize this algebric form of a curve, I just put it in Maxima and it gave me these graphs:
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5893/complex1qq5.png"
(d=0)
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7287/complex2wx5.png"
(d=0.1)
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4890/complex3xu8.png"
(d=1)

Is that consistent with the "usual" interference analysis done in wave theory? And if so, how is it related to the classical picture, such as:
http://www.paulfriedlander.com/images/timetravel/interference%20-1.jpg"
I realize that the streamlines are the maximum lines of the pictures above, but are they really the same as what I got?

Thanks a lot!
 
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Eh, you shouldn't compare *waves* with the electrostatic picture you calculate. But at first glance, your electrostatic calculation looks right (didn't do the real expansion myself).

What you are calculating is the electric field lines of a static distribution, while the 3rd picture is one of waves. There are of course some similarities in both, but you are dealing with different situations nevertheless.

Doesn't the electrostatic distribution look intuitive to you ? Maybe you should also find the equipotential lines, and superpose them. That will give you a more intuitive picture with both field lines and equipotential lines.
 
Actually I'm working with fluids rather than electostatics. I guess it's the same but my terminology is more fluids-related.

The thing is that I was wondering, if the complex potential let's you model fluid flow situations, will it describe interference? I mean, two sources are supposed to create an interference pattern, and I don't know if this is what the calculation above yields.

Thanks!
 
Omri said:
Actually I'm working with fluids rather than electostatics. I guess it's the same but my terminology is more fluids-related.

The thing is that I was wondering, if the complex potential let's you model fluid flow situations, will it describe interference? I mean, two sources are supposed to create an interference pattern, and I don't know if this is what the calculation above yields.

Thanks!

Well, interference is the result of the fact that there are phase differences at a certain point, between the contribution of the field at that point from different sources (and that that phase difference varies from point to point). Now, phases are properties of oscillatory phenomena, while we are describing a static situation here. So in a static situation you won't have any interference. In a static situation, a positive source has a positive contribution everywhere, and always, and a negative source has a negative contribution everywhere, and always. So it is not that the SIGN of their contributions will alter from point to point.
 

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