Solar panels and optical parametric oscillator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of integrating optical parametric oscillators (OPOs) with solar panels to enhance energy production by potentially doubling the frequency of incoming light. Participants explore the principles of solar energy conversion and the characteristics of sunlight compared to the requirements of OPOs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that using an OPO could allow solar panels to operate with a smaller surface area by doubling the frequency of light, thus increasing energy output.
  • Several participants argue that sunlight is not a near-monochromatic, coherent source of light, which is necessary for OPOs to function effectively, leading to energy loss from non-matching frequencies.
  • There is a suggestion about the possibility of filtering light to isolate desired frequencies, but others caution that this would result in significant energy loss from the majority of the spectrum.
  • One participant speculates that if an oscillator could be designed to work with less light and potentially triplicate or quadruplicate frequencies, it might be feasible, although this idea is met with skepticism.
  • Participants acknowledge the limitations of OPOs, particularly their reliance on a single wavelength and frequency, which restricts energy capture from a broader spectrum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of using OPOs with solar panels, with some asserting it won't work due to the nature of sunlight, while others explore theoretical possibilities despite recognizing significant challenges.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the coherence and monochromaticity of sunlight, as well as the implications of filtering light for energy capture, which remain unresolved.

Domenico94
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Hi everyone.
On these days, by watching solar panels and similar stuff, I just thought about it, and why they take such a wide surface to produce energy, and why their output is often low, as we all know.
By navigating here on the internet, I've just seen a device called OPO (Optical parametrical oscillator)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_parametric_oscillator , whose primary function is doubling the frequency of a wave, usually emitted by laser. In this device, if we say it briefly, a laser usually reaches the surface of this device: at this point, it hits a cristal, and two mirrors, that create the output of a higher frequency (usually double as the original frequency, if I'm correct).
My point is: physically, solar panels function according to the principle that photons emit light with a given frequency, say, f, and the energy associated with that frequency

E = hf

Makes the electrons on the surface of solar panels "escape", which in turn produces electric current. That means, the more frequency we have, maybe until a given point, the more energy and the more electricity we have.

Another consideration that I want to do is: the radiation of the sun, and the laser used to make the OPO function, have the same frequency, if I'm right. Means that the device should virtually work with light, provided we modify it in some way.

My question, is then: what would happen if we could use an optical parametric oscillator in our solar panels, in order to double the frequency associated with light in a solar panel, and then produce electricity with a surface that could be much less of the originary one? Would we have any problems about feasibilty, or costs?
 
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Won't work. Sunlight is not a near-monochromatic, coherent source of light, which is what you need for this. Since the resonator portion only resonates at a single wavelength, all the energy in the frequencies that don't match the resonator will be lost.
 
Drakkith said:
Won't work. Sunlight is not a near-monochromatic, coherent source of light, which is what you need for this. Since the resonator portion only resonates at a single wavelength, all the energy in the frequencies that don't match the resonator will be lost.
Hi. First of all, thank you for your answer :)
Secondly, isn t there any system to filter the various freqiencies of light, in order to get the desired frequency?
 
Domenico94 said:
Hi. First of all, thank you for your answer :)
Secondly, isn t there any system to filter the various freqiencies of light, in order to get the desired frequency?
You could but you'd be throwing away the majority of the spectrum, losing the vast majority of the light before it even reaches your cell.
 
Filtering throws away light. You're moving in the wrong direction.
 
But this would work if we would be able to design the oscillator in such a way that it takes much less light, which is a bad cojdition, but would be theorically able to triplicate or quadruplicate its frequency, right?
 
Your invention is getting more magical with each post.
 
Lol alright ahahah
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Your invention is getting more magical with each post.
I understood now what you mean..I m sorry.
The oscillator can work with a single wavelength and a single frequency, with the result we can t take frequencies that are close to that one...I initially thought there could always be a small range of frequencies at which the device could resonate..
 
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But if you filter those other frequencies, you lose their energy. Sorry - there is no free lunch.
 
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Yes...That's obvious now...you can't have much energy only from a SINGLE frequency of light...I just didn't know this particular of the oscillator.. Thanks for your help anyway :)
 

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