Antenna Polarization: Fixed E-field Orientation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of the electric field (E field) orientation of antennas, particularly in relation to polarization (horizontal and vertical) and how this orientation may change based on various factors such as location and propagation direction. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical implications in antenna design and signal transmission.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the E field orientation is fixed until the wave interacts with obstacles, which may alter its orientation.
  • Another participant argues that the E field orientation must depend on the coordinates (x,y,z) due to varying propagation directions at different locations.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the definitions of horizontal and vertical polarization apply primarily to transmissions aligned with the main beam of a directional antenna and parallel to flat ground.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of defining polarization when the propagation direction is not parallel to the ground, noting that reflections can alter the polarization state of the wave.
  • One participant mentions the use of circular polarization as a potential solution to issues arising from reflections in antenna design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the E field orientation is fixed or variable based on location and propagation direction. There is no consensus on the implications of these factors for antenna polarization.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves complex geometrical considerations and the effects of reflections on polarization, which may not be fully resolved within the current exchange.

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Suppose we have a fixed coordinatre system (x,y,z). Suppose an antenna is horizonally polarized. Is the orientation of the E field fixed as a function of (x,y,z). Or does it change?
 
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It is fixed until the wave bends or bounces off something like an ionized layer in the sky or a solid surface. After that, it may exit at a different orientation.

This is why you will usually see all the TV antennas in one area are all horizontal or all vertical.
 
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I was thinking that since the E field is always in the plane orthogonal to the progagation direction, that the orientation of the E field must depend on (x,y,z). i.e Different locations would have different progagation directions, so the E field would be oriented differently.
 
The HP and VP really only apply to transmissions in the direction of the main beam of a directional antenna and only then when you are talking about transmissions parallel with a flat ground.

All you can really say is that the E field is normal to the direction of propagation. How would you define VP if the beam were arriving vertically at the ground, for instance? For anything but propagation parallel to the ground, there is an element of Horizontal E field, in fact, even if it was originally launched as perfectly VP. (and vice versa.) It's a geometry thing and can seriously hurt the brain.
It's a real nightmare when you try to consider what happens to a linearly polarised wave, launched from a 'feed' when it spreads out and hits a parabolic reflector. The surface of the reflector is in all sorts of planes and the polarisation that emerges from each point is changed on reflection. This effect is less (through cancellation) when the dish is symmetrical but many dishes have 'offset' feeds (look on the sides of some nearby houses). It is common to use circular polarisation which helps in this respect.
 

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